Is Hutcho the main problem?

[Wombat]

I've always been a fan of Hutcho but last year he was appalling and seams to get worse by the week.
As Centre Mid he is the fulcrum of our team and as such needs to tackle and distribute to a high standard.
He was truly terrible last night and needs to be replaced or if McKinna can't bring himself to do the obvious he needs to be moved to either wing.

Obviously we need a new centre mid but in the mean time Caceras and Huke or Gumps needs to be tried.

Your thoughts?

 

[BrisRecky]

No...Tobin is the main problem

 

[serious14]

ZOMG stop picking on Hutcho, he iz da bstst playa EVA!!!

But seriously, yes.  Alas, he will never be dropped.

 

[Arabmariner]

A decent coach and Hutch would never be seen again imo.

Now that refs have worked out his,turn around in a circle then fall over the ball and get a free kick routine,he's of f**k all use to the team at all.

 

[Ursus]

Hutch should be playing on the wing but is filling a role in which we have a big gap and have never successfully filled. Unfortunately he is too slow in seeing the options in attack for the most part, but is filling the role better than most see.

He has provided some beautiful balls for Matty (which very few people see) and scored some good goals but does neither often enough.

Caceras is better at the attacking part than Hutch but is not the answer.

We need someone with the attacking skills of a Junhino or a Yorke in that position, however they are rare, expensive or a gamble or a combination of all three. Miller was a gamble that I was disappointed that we did not take and has paid off (partially) for Qld.

Hutch has become a generalist and has the ability to fill gaps that become a problem (striker in V2). He also brings some needed aggression into the team. Keep him for those reasons.

However we desperately need a creative midfielder.

 

[marinermick]

Hutch should be playing on the wing but is filling a role in which we have a big gap and have never successfully filled. Unfortunately he is too slow in seeing the options in attack for the most part, but is filling the role better than most see.

He has provided some beautiful balls for Matty (which very few people see) and scored some good goals but does neither often enough.

Caceras is better at the attacking part than Hutch but is not the answer.

We need someone with the attacking skills of a Junhino or a Yorke in that position, however they are rare, expensive or a gamble or a combination of all three. Miller was a gamble that I was disappointed that we did not take and has paid off (partially) for Qld.

Hutch has become a generalist and has the ability to fill gaps that become a problem (striker in V2). He also brings some needed aggression into the team. Keep him for those reasons.

However we desperately need a creative midfielder.

Certainly the attacking mid role is our major hole. Hutch is not creative enough and last was asked to play a more defensive role. Adrian is more dynamic but gives away far too much possession and is not a ninety minute player.

I too rue the fact that we did not offer a little more to Charlie Miller.

Surely, surely there must be someone that fills that role at our sister club in Brazil.

 

[finally retired]

Hutch should be playing on the wing but is filling a role in which we have a big gap and have never successfully filled. Unfortunately he is too slow in seeing the options in attack for the most part, but is filling the role better than most see.

He has provided some beautiful balls for Matty (which very few people see) and scored some good goals but does neither often enough.

Caceras is better at the attacking part than Hutch but is not the answer.

We need someone with the attacking skills of a Junhino or a Yorke in that position, however they are rare, expensive or a gamble or a combination of all three. Miller was a gamble that I was disappointed that we did not take and has paid off (partially) for Qld.

Hutch has become a generalist and has the ability to fill gaps that become a problem (striker in V2). He also brings some needed aggression into the team.

However we desperately need a creative midfielder.

well said. 
Juninho and Yorke have been the two standouts in the A-league and either would have turned CCM into the top team (imagine Juninho with Jedi to protect him from injury).  Alas we didn't get either and are no closer to filling the void that we have.  While many on here bag the crap out of Hutch (and I admit I am NOT a fan of him), he is trying his best to fill a problem area for us, although not filling it well.  Of the current A-league players from other clubs not under contract, there's probably only Barbiero who would be better than what we have already.  Lawrie and CCM need to be canvassing their networks (and sister clubs networks) for better quality that we can afford.  Just because no one from Sheffield wants to make the trip down-under shouldn't stop us using their scouts to find someone who will come and who will give us some quality.

I also agree with Recky......Tobin is a problem with his coaching......perhaps he should put the boots back on and move back to CB, push Wilko out to RB and leave Porter for mid.....

 

[Alicia]

Do threads with this kind of title really need to exist?  Can you at least re-word it into something less harsh?

 

[marinermick]

Do threads with this kind of title really need to exist?  Can you at least re-word it into something less harsh?

you're the global administrator of this site

public forum and public opinion but i guess these threads get started by people with meaningless lives who go through their existance constantly whinging about the bad cards they have been dealt in life and blaming everyone for their misfortunes but themselves

 

[kevrenor]

Quite obviously NO, as that would mean there is a magic bullet ... pull Hutch and we win the HAL treble, the AFC, and CWC! Patently nonsense.

There are a lot of problems with the team, and Hutch's deficiencies are minor in comparison. 

I thought he played a disciplined role last night, and worked better with his colleagues ... perhaps a 6 or 7/10 ... the midfield did very well in holding the game tight but alas did not create enough.

 

[Tittirongi]

IMHO we have a few issues

Porter and Osman should swap, please do it, even if Lawrie doesn't say so.... He clearly isn't watching the game so he won't notice.

From last night: Heff should be in left back, he looked lost on the left wing as he is only good when he runs into that position, not when he is there all game. Put him in left back, Pedj to right back, Porter to centre mid, Osman right wing. If Lawrie is so obsessed with the Hutcho man, send him left wing at least. Caceras should be in centre mid, for lack of anyone else to fill that role, IMHO he is the best we have.

I realise that's a pretty attacking set up but we need all the help we can get

P.S. Hi.....Goodbye.....See you in another few months when i'm bored enough to add to the drivel on this forum

 

[FFC Mariner]

Agreed, the formation was strange to say the least.

Heff is not and cannot play LM.

Why not try Hutch at LM and Porter in the middle. With Huke behind him, he can move inthe creative AM role which is his natural position.

 

[Sym]

No.

 

[Alicia]

Do threads with this kind of title really need to exist?  Can you at least re-word it into something less harsh?

you're the global administrator of this site

public forum and public opinion but i guess these threads get started by people with meaningless lives who go through their existance constantly whinging about the bad cards they have been dealt in life and blaming everyone for their misfortunes but themselves

yes i am, however, if i go around changing thread titles or deleting threads i'm sure all hell will break loose.  i just think people should think before they hit post. kk thanks

 

[brett]

Hutch sprayed some nice square balls to the fullbacks which started our best attacks, that's what he offers best in centre mid. He isn't a dynamic player but adds a disciplined balance - we need more attack from the other areas if he plays there with Huke.

I think Lawrie's plan was clearly to keep things tight, suss out this brand new world of Asian football and see if we might nick a goal through Nik's size and Matty's fight. It was sensible and it was comforting to keep a clean sheet for once. Jets showed in China what will happen if you go for attack and leave gaps everywhere.

What I find funny is that Bay 16 moans and groans with any pass that is backwards or lateral. It also moans and groans with any long ball. So the only pass allowed is a directly forward ball, on the ground, to a striker in space. How often is that pass available? And how often did we carve up the other wing after switching it across the back? It's the most hypocritical attitude - demanding it goes forward every time then whining when we can't keep the ball more than 3 passes.

Any backwards pass is not a 'Spencer'. That theory was borne out of a half of football where Melbourne was down to 9 players, sitting around their area, and Spencer refused to pass the ball to any number of open options who weren't our centre backs or goalkeeper. One or two backwards passes in a match to control possession could more accurately be called a 'Grella' or a 'Makelele'.

 

[FFC Mariner]

Fair point Brett but if he plays a lateral pass and the player receiving it is actually able to control it (their lack of skill not his), neither Hutch or anyone else moves into space to receive the next ball and the attack breaks down.

 

[Tittirongi]

We also seem to have a problem with lateral passing in that we seem to be incapable of putting a pass to feet, as in the passer passes the ball to where the player is, not ahead of the player so he can continue running onto the ball.

Ive lost count of how many times a Heff, Bojic, Osman, Porter etc has been running up the flank and had to stop and track back to pick up a pass because a centre midfielder (usually one in particular) can't grasp the concept that you need to pass to where the player will be, not where they are.

I'm not talking about when the opposition defence is putting pressure on either, this happens in the buildup and completely ruins our attacking fluency.

 

[shipwreck]

We also seem to have a problem with lateral passing in that we seem to be incapable of putting a pass to feet, as in the passer passes the ball to where the player is, not ahead of the player so he can continue running onto the ball.

Ive lost count of how many times a Heff, Bojic, Osman, Porter etc has been running up the flank and had to stop and track back to pick up a pass because a centre midfielder (usually one in particular) can't grasp the concept that you need to pass to where the player will be, not where they are.

I'm not talking about when the opposition defence is putting pressure on either, this happens in the buildup and completely ruins our attacking fluency.

100% agree, noticed that far too many times last night, they seem unable to grasp that concept of play where the player is going to be, not where they are now. Not sure if its due to a lack of knowledge in physics or it comes down to a lack of confidence in looking like a tool passing to open space and having a quick asian intercept your "through" ball, either way, its not flowing, its not pretty and its definitely not effective!

 

[Sacko]

Whilst last night was better than the drivel we've served up with since NYE as we kept the ball a bit better, we played like an away team in a two legged tie. I thought that Huke looked good and screened the defense well and that Matty looked dangerous when the ball was played to his feet (on rare occasions). I can see that Nik looked tired and had to off and the midfield needed to try something different but bringing Adrian on for Nik was not the way to win the game assert ourselves in the group from the start. Hutch should have gone for Adrian and Dylan brought on to replace Nik. I think it was right to start with Hutch but he shouldn't be untouchable when things need changing, but I suppose that's not really his fault....

 

[brett]

Fair point Brett but if he plays a lateral pass and the player receiving it is actually able to control it (their lack of skill not his), neither Hutch or anyone else moves into space to receive the next ball and the attack breaks down.

Yep, agree that the overall fluidity of the attack is simply not there. That's probably just down to the fact that we don't have enough technical quality across the team. We have competent players, but you need a player like Corica or Hernandez who can be trusted to make their pass every time, so it's not a huge risk for the first man and second man to be making runs off the ball.

For example Porter has the ability to go forward but he rarely does because someone is just as likely to lose the ball and he'll be caught out of position. As it turns out, the guys ahead have no options because people like Porter aren't making enough runs. That's the catch-22 we're facing.

That's a whole mentality that has to start on the training track and in the dressing room - but like I say, without an injection of quality there's not much Lawrie can do. He could tell them to go for all out attack and have us lose 3-1 (as some have more or less asked for) or he can set up a more reliable system, hope that we take the odd chance through the strikers fighting it out and recruit properly in the actual off-season.

But that's another conversation - fact is we're never going to get anywhere near that sort of attractive football without ball retention and passes to feet as a starting point, Hutch is the main person doing that at the moment but he is the biggest scapegoat.