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Hill backhand to fozzie

Jesus

Jesus
A section From foxsports website hills comments on round 1



What style debate?

I dont know about you, but Im getting rather weary of being told which type of football I should prefer. I enjoy watching lots of different teams and players. Everyone loves Barcelona, including me, and I adore the skills of Leo Messi - but why should it be a guilty pleasure to appreciate endeavour, organisation, or a well-executed game plan - let alone the fast-fading art of tackling?

Im sick to the back teeth of hearing that a certain style of play is incorrect, or is driving fans away. Like a petulant child disdainfully fingering at his dinner, picking out the bits he doesnt like, these football fashion bores believe there is a massive debate going on about style.

There isnt - only a lecture from one dogmatic corner, which brooks no counter perspective, and feels the need to impose their views - relentlessly - on everybody else.

They seem to have forgotten what its like to be a fan of a club, and what committed fans appreciate most in Australia

Winning.
 

midfielder

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I have admired Simon Hill for a long time and his Can You Smell the fear article was ground breaking and turned on its head many long time attacks by the traditional media... the only thing I think Simon left out was it is on purpose IMO .. it is not an accident...

Is also on the Round 1 thread ...but agree Jesus it needs a thread of its own... FOOOOK Fossie...
 

Jazzie

Sheer joy at beating the scum :)
midfielder said:
I have admired Simon Hill for a long time and his Can You Smell the fear article was ground breaking and turned on its head many long time attacks by the traditional media... the only thing I think Simon left out was it is on purpose IMO .. it is not an accident...

Is also on the Round 1 thread ...but agree Jesus it needs a thread of its own... FOOOOK Fossie...

I just wonder if Fozzie was a fan of any club ... or only a fan of himself ?
 

Wombat

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Well said Mr Hill.  The sooner someone puts that jumped up nobody, Foster, in his place the better.
What right does a second rate Footballer who achieved very little in his own career have to try and dictate to the Australian Footballing community. His views are boring, inane and whimsical.

Foster.....Why don't you f**k off to Holland or Brazil were you can drone on about how wonderful both countries are.
 

clarence

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Wombat said:
Well said Mr Hill.  The sooner someone puts that jumped up nobody, Foster, in his place the better.
What right does a second rate Footballer who achieved very little in his own career have to try and dictate to the Australian Footballing community. His views are boring, inane and whimsical.

Foster.....Why don't you f**k off to Holland or Brazil were you can drone on about how wonderful both countries are.

Before I wade into a tirade about Foster, I would like to balance up the debate on a few things about him.
1. Despite Wombat's assertion that he is a jumped up nobody, I would respectfully state that he has done far more than most Footballers in this country. I mean all sorts of Footballers too, not just the professionals. Foster HAS played for his country and he did have a professional career.  If he deigns to go public about his views we should at least respect that he has played at the top that this country has to offer, whether we like what he says or not.

2. He is NOT a jumped up nobody because he is on national TV every Sunday expressing these views of his. He IS somebody purely because of that. While he is on air people listen and his arguments can be jammed down peoples' throats week after week. Very dangerous if his view is a negative one.

All that prefaced, I would like to see what qualifications Mr. Foster has to qualify him to express those views.

I would doubt he has bothered to attend the recent coaching seminars for the top coaching qualifications and I'd also doubt he'd even possess a ref's ticket to ref the juniors!

Not that you have to hold qualifications to express views about a game you have played or love with a studious passion.

I know I have none to speak of, but people here, have, at times, agreed with my views about the Mariners and the state of play. Same too with FFC Mariner, Marinermick, Dibo and many others. Do these other forumites hold qualifications in Football? I doubt they hold anything of great significance. But we have views and hopes for the future of the game in Australia.

But SBS won't put our views forward. They won't, for example, contact Marinermick (even though he is accredited media) to come into the studio on Sunday and debate some of the issues raised by Foster, and even if they did, there'd be some sort of studio ambush by Foster, who would know how to work the camera that much better than Marinermick (no disrespect intended). BUT Foster probably holds no further qualification to speak out about the game as Marinermick, or me, FFC Mariner or Dibo.

Shit, there's people like Fish, Dru and others who have spent thousands in lost time at work and travel expenditure following Football, and here's a jerk like Foster saying, 'What you are following is crap. We need techncially better players and it should happen now.' These followers of Football deserve better respect from an Old Boy like Foster, and they are arguably better qualified to pass judgement on what they see, and whether it is a good product.

Well, "HELLO!", I'd love to see the likes of Harry Kewell and Tim Cahill playing in our A-League with others of similar technical brilliance, but that sort of player roster is years away, if at all.

The best players will always go to the strongest market. Same applies for business people and all other aspects of life. Get used to it.

So for now, the question is: Do I support the local national premier league and accept it for what it is, or,  do I not pay some money for a season ticket, not pay for merchandise, not attend matches and bag the content as inferior. 

If I chose the latter, and there would a number of folks like that out there already, then I am not supporting the FFA's vision for the future and I am not in any entitled to bag the end result of a failed comp. and sport if that should happen.

How to improve the technical abilities is a problem that cannot simply be resolved overnight because Craig Foster wants to see it happen before he retires or is replaced, on SBS.

I have noticed however, that since the A-League has started there is a growing competency amongst the younger boys playing and the FFA has revised the coaching qualifications so that these boys and girls get the best qualified coaches first.

There has been an improvement in the A-League from day 1. It is an improving league and players get left behind each season. Look at what has happened to our player roster recently for proof of that.

Great work by Hill to support the A-League, but then again, the comp. does give him a job.

Maybe too, he was sick and tired of having folks that he knew saying that the A-League was shit and Fozzie said this and Fozzie said that, when he saw some points raised by Foster as either wrong or misguided, maybe even politically motivated too, and had actually been at games to see for himself what was happening.
 

jaypee

Well-Known Member
clarence said:
Wombat said:
Well said Mr Hill.  The sooner someone puts that jumped up nobody, Foster, in his place the better.
What right does a second rate Footballer who achieved very little in his own career have to try and dictate to the Australian Footballing community. His views are boring, inane and whimsical.

Foster.....Why don't you f**k off to Holland or Brazil were you can drone on about how wonderful both countries are.

Before I wade into a tirade about Foster, I would like to balance up the debate on a few things about him.
1. Despite Wombat's assertion that he is a jumped up nobody, I would respectfully state that he has done far more than most Footballers in this country. I mean all sorts of Footballers too, not just the professionals. Foster HAS played for his country and he did have a professional career.  If he deigns to go public about his views we should at least respect that he has played at the top that this country has to offer, whether we like what he says or not.

2. He is NOT a jumped up nobody because he is on national TV every Sunday expressing these views of his. He IS somebody purely because of that. While he is on air people listen and his arguments can be jammed down peoples' throats week after week. Very dangerous if his view is a negative one.

All that prefaced, I would like to see what qualifications Mr. Foster has to qualify him to express those views.

I would doubt he has bothered to attend the recent coaching seminars for the top coaching qualifications and I'd also doubt he'd even possess a ref's ticket to ref the juniors!

Not that you have to hold qualifications to express views about a game you have played or love with a studious passion.

I know I have none to speak of, but people here, have, at times, agreed with my views about the Mariners and the state of play. Same too with FFC Mariner, Marinermick, Dibo and many others. Do these other forumites hold qualifications in Football? I doubt they hold anything of great significance. But we have views and hopes for the future of the game in Australia.

But SBS won't put our views forward. They won't, for example, contact Marinermick (even though he is accredited media) to come into the studio on Sunday and debate some of the issues raised by Foster, and even if they did, there'd be some sort of studio ambush by Foster, who would know how to work the camera that much better than Marinermick (no disrespect intended). BUT Foster probably holds no further qualification to speak out about the game as Marinermick, or me, FFC Mariner or Dibo.

Shit, there's people like Fish, Dru and others who have spent thousands in lost time at work and travel expenditure following Football, and here's a jerk like Foster saying, 'What you are following is crap. We need techncially better players and it should happen now.' These followers of Football deserve better respect from an Old Boy like Foster, and they are arguably better qualified to pass judgement on what they see, and whether it is a good product.

Well, "HELLO!", I'd love to see the likes of Harry Kewell and Tim Cahill playing in our A-League with others of similar technical brilliance, but that sort of player roster is years away, if at all.

The best players will always go to the strongest market. Same applies for business people and all other aspects of life. Get used to it.

So for now, the question is: Do I support the local national premier league and accept it for what it is, or,  do I not pay some money for a season ticket, not pay for merchandise, not attend matches and bag the content as inferior. 

If I chose the latter, and there would a number of folks like that out there already, then I am not supporting the FFA's vision for the future and I am not in any entitled to bag the end result of a failed comp. and sport if that should happen.

How to improve the technical abilities is a problem that cannot simply be resolved overnight because Craig Foster wants to see it happen before he retires or is replaced, on SBS.

I have noticed however, that since the A-League has started there is a growing competency amongst the younger boys playing and the FFA has revised the coaching qualifications so that these boys and girls get the best qualified coaches first.

There has been an improvement in the A-League from day 1. It is an improving league and players get left behind each season. Look at what has happened to our player roster recently for proof of that.

Great work by Hill to support the A-League, but then again, the comp. does give him a job.

Maybe too, he was sick and tired of having folks that he knew saying that the A-League was shit and Fozzie said this and Fozzie said that, when he saw some points raised by Foster as either wrong or misguided, maybe even politically motivated too, and had actually been at games to see for himself what was happening.

Agree that Foster played at a high level but he was one of the most boring hacks there was.... nothing beautiful about his style- he was what we would call an effective midfielder...
 

pjennings

Well-Known Member
I gave up on Foster last year when he was pontificating about the technical level of the HAL and Les asked him which games he had enjoyed. His reply was that he actually hadn't watched any games that season. Great analysis!!  ???

If he wants to comment - fine. However, if he is not going to do the research for his job, why is he employed? Don't we pay his wage?
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
Very interesting Simon Hill article today the Empire Strikes Back or is that to hard .. follow my logic the evil Sith ie the enemy within wanting to take back control of the newly established order set up and run by the Jedi But as long as Obie Wan is there the balance will remain but still the evil Sith hope to over throw the Jedi and return to power the Dark Side of the force
 

Arabmariner

Well-Known Member
midfielder said:
Very interesting Simon Hill article today the Empire Strikes Back or is that to hard .. follow my logic the evil Sith ie the enemy within wanting to take back control of the newly established order set up and run by the Jedi But as long as Obie Wan is there the balance will remain but still the evil Sith hope to over throw the Jedi and return to power the Dark Side of the force
Drunk posting MF ?  ;)
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
Arabmariner said:
midfielder said:
Very interesting Simon Hill article today the Empire Strikes Back or is that to hard .. follow my logic the evil Sith ie the enemy within wanting to take back control of the newly established order set up and run by the Jedi But as long as Obie Wan is there the balance will remain but still the evil Sith hope to over throw the Jedi and return to power the Dark Side of the force
Drunk posting MF ?  ;)

No Abstract a touch of cultural..She Who must be Obeyed .. or Obey Wan.. as someone suggested the other night on the forum well She takes me to all those movies and we must watch Dr Who, Tourchwood all of em .. so to explain..

Simon Hill a young and new training Jedi Knight is fighting an evil Sith apprentice The evil Sith apprentice is under the guidance of the evil emperor (Mrs Football)  who wants to return things to the Dark side back to old Soccer but as long as Obie Wan is their (Frank Lowy) we are safe

Arab and you dare say this is drunk posting insulted is I  ???
 
Simon hill did predict us to come last, he also addmitted how often pundits got it wrong in regards to our tream(himself included). I've often wanted to rant about the lack of reprct the mariners get as a team, I mean here we are 5 years old claiming a traditional thugby territory as our own! As I once said I've Been to many city's in oz for work but I still find it amazi g the number if jersys hats flags etc about the coast!

As far as our style of play, we won away to Melbourne, massive!! Our weakest areas since vidy, and Jedi left has been restored, and in all honesty I believe that's what we lacked in acl. With a strong back line it gives every1 confidence to move forward. There definatly areas for us to improve (passing and ball control mainly) but at the end if the day possetion, skill, talent mean nothing if you don't out the ball in the back of the net (see mariners vs teda).

I guess in closing opinions are like a*Rse holes, every1 has got 1, but don't mean we need to hear it! And fozzies least of all!
 

Wombat

Well-Known Member
Clarence

thats far too considered and reasonable for me.

Foster is a twat, pure snd simple.  He is like a out of control freight train going down hill without brakes...........he couldn't stop whinging if he wanted to.

To me he's like the local parish priest preaching to the Dali Lama.

In the words of Roy Chubby Brown...."basically he's a c**t!"
 

marinersman

Well-Known Member
Foster has an opinion like all of us. If you don't like him, don't watch TWG. Pretty simple really. He's not Pat Malone in his criticism of us.

Time for some to stop being so sensitive and precious. Why does it matter to so many what he says? Water off a duck's back to me.
 

Jesus

Jesus
marinersman said:
Foster has an opinion like all of us. If you don't like him, don't watch TWG. Pretty simple really. He's not Pat Malone in his criticism of us.

Time for some to stop being so sensitive and precious. Why does it matter to so many what he says? Water off a duck's back to me.

I dont mind people having opinions. But why is there a constant need for him to say the exact same opinion every time? When no one is really out there saying fozzie i disagree?

Why did he not even throw a bone to mckinna for changing his tactics and forcing a team he usually suggests is the good with passing, to try anything it could due to the superior organistaion and tactics?

I remember him saying how players need to be able to change between systems, play differently at home and away etc when it comes to the roos. But he cant throw some of that to the a-league?
 

Forum Phoenix

Well-Known Member
marinersman said:
Foster has an opinion like all of us. If you don't like him, don't watch TWG. Pretty simple really. He's not Pat Malone in his criticism of us.

Time for some to stop being so sensitive and precious. Why does it matter to so many what he says? Water off a duck's back to me.

I have stopped watching the world game now. But as a major football journo in this country his shit filters down everywhere getting picked up by rags and forums across the entire country.
Why do I have to ignore his vitriol and constant derision of the team I support and club I love exactly? Why do I care you ask? Why am I not as duck like as you?

Because people in such positions of power have great influence about other people forming their opinions. And when it is someone who consistently attacks the entire league out of spite and in a most spiteful way, and who also has a particular bee in his bonnet about our club. Sorry Marinersman, but their is a considerably large difference between "being precious and sensitive" and standing up against someone who consistently derides your team, coach and club in service to his own agenda and ego.

And personally I do care if my 12 year old reads that his local heroes, while perhaps appearing to win last week, did in actual fact play so badly that they are currently running the risk of ruining the entire league. Quite simply, because its unjust and undermines his love for his team and simple enjoyment of being a supporter.

Please by all means continue to turn the other cheek with Foster... it'll just make it that much easier for him to pour orange sauce all over your back.
 

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