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HAL REFS.

Wombat

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:soapbox:

The FFA need to do something about these clowns that are holding back the A -League. As a Mariners fan it is hard not to draw the conclusion that they are corrupt cheating dogs...Sheilds/Breeze/Williams etc...but the sad reality is that they are simply incompetant, with no idea.

Clowns like Williams must be dropped to Youth league for at least one week so at least they are made aware of the glaring clangers they drop week after week.
 

FFC Mariner

Well-Known Member
Wait for all the ref lovers to flock to the defence of these inept clowns.

Face facts, they make far too many wrong calls far too often for it to be put down to "mistakes". Simple fact is, they are f**king useless.

The FFA might need to consider video replays just to avoid the officiating dragging the game down.
 

Bex

Well-Known Member
I'm no ref lover, or ref hater for that matter, but the fact is there is nobody better to take their place so what are you gonna do? The FFA have got to keep developing the refs in the same way as clubs develop players. There needs to be a succession plan as well.

One thing I'm certain about is that there is no way I would want to be a ref; the guys definitely have balls and its definitely a tough job. If you think you can do a better job, where's your balls? it would certainly help the A-League - and the Mariners - if there were some better refs around.
 

cruiser

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This needs a thread after last nights rubbish penalty to Adelaide that ultimately cost us victory. I was so pissed off and disheartened after that decision that I almost switched channels, wondering whether there was any point in watching a game that these idiots have spoilt too many times with terrible decisions. The Football Federation must do something to address this problem.
 

Mini In Bay 6

Well-Known Member
If memory serves haven't they now appointed a ref's coach at the start of the season? If so, fantastic, but it will take some time for results to turn around. After all you can't chnage several seasons of crap in just a few short weeks.

But in any case, a human is always going to make errors. Always.  League and AFL refs are professionals and they still make calls which defy description.

Another issue is the lack of a video replay for penalty claims.  In my opinion if there is an arguable case for a penalty, the aggrieved side should be able to make a claim for a video replay.  However this could lead to fifty thousand replays every time the ball goes into the box, multiple stoppages.

To get around that I would propose two possible remedies: If a penalty claim is unsuccesful;, the player who made the claim is issued a yellow card, and/or a team may only make a set number of appeals per match (say three). After your three claims your back to the whim of the ref.

In the rare case that a replay is inconclusive, then the benefit of the doubt should go to the defending side but the appealing team don't lose that appeal (And/or no card is issued).
 

yellowcake

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The issue is constantly cruelling the fans and fuelling the knockers.

I'd sometimes wondered about the merits of the coach having 2 or 3 'challenges' per game for critical decisions - penalty calls or given, goals scored or disallowed on questionable offside calls, etc.

Dream on. Video decision is never going to happen in a FIFA goverened comp.

What about some good, professional imported refs? There's only 4 games per week to cover.
 

Bex

Well-Known Member
I dread the thought of using video replays. The amount of terrible decisions seen in the NRL is a great example of why it shouldn't be used. I think most people understand that refs have a hard job - they have to watch many things at once and have to make instant decisions in real time about action that is difficult to rule upon even in slow motion. The video ref doesn't have any excuse really but still gets it wrong and I reckon thats far worse for the sport than getting an instant decsion wrong.
 

Honkee

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yellowcake said:
The issue is constantly cruelling the fans and fuelling the knockers.

I'd sometimes wondered about the merits of the coach having 2 or 3 'challenges' per game for critical decisions - penalty calls or given, goals scored or disallowed on questionable offside calls, etc.

Dream on. Video decision is never going to happen in a FIFA goverened comp.

What about some good, professional imported refs? There's only 4 games per week to cover.

Hell yeah,

Most teams have international players,  and those players do raise the quality of the game. Maybe importing some refs from the European or South American leagues will lift the game as well, and teach the current refs a few things at the same time.
 

Blair

Well-Known Member
cruiser said:
This needs a thread after last nights rubbish penalty to Adelaide that ultimately cost us victory. I was so pissed off and disheartened after that decision that I almost switched channels, wondering whether there was any point in watching a game that these idiots have spoilt too many times with terrible decisions. The Football Federation must do something to address this problem.
Top blog i felt the same :(
 

Capn Gus Bloodbeard

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Video replays won't work.  It's simply the wrong game.

As for the penalty, I can think of two possible explanations:-

1)Williams simply didn't see him hit the ball first.  Sometimes you simply have the wrong angle and there's nothing you can do (if this is the case though, then he should sought his AR's opinion first.  It only takes a moment)

2)He thought our player was going for the attacker ie deliberately and unnecessarily collected him on the follow through (just because you get the ball first, it doesn't necessarily mean there isn't a foul).  I disagree with it, but I find myself wondering which it was....

Throughout the match though, Adelaide probably copped the bigger stick - some of the cautions left me scratching my head.  Then there were the blatantly late tackles designed to slow the game after our 2nd goal which were just as late as earlier ones resulting in a card, but received nothing...

Aside from the cards, and the penalty, I don't think Williams really did too much else wrong (though I missed most of the first half because the Mantra's Foxtel connection was screwing up)

Anyway, I'm sure a number of you know my opinion on the HAL refereeing - that it's the people behind the scenes that need a kick up the arse more than the referees.  Politics is played way, way too much - and naturally this is to the detriment of the game.

Again, the lack of full time referees is a problem.  Is it reasonable to expect these guys to be at peak performance on a weekend when many of them work full time, as well as spending a number of hours during the week training?  There's a good reason many of them perform better on FIFA fixtures - IMO it's because they're not flat out all week, then having to referee elite football when most of us just want to put our feet up after an exhausting week at work.  The issue of part time referees has gotta be affecting performance.

Sub-par performance on the field is only the public front of the problem.  The problem goes beyond what we see.

Unfortunately it's those politics that also keeps underperforming officials in their position, and prevents better officials from rising to the top.  I know of officials who have been told by state coaches that, because of something they've said to that coach, they don't have a chance of getting to the top.  And absolutely disgraceful abuse of power, and as such, blatant corruption - but this is politics.  Really, you get the same nonsense happening in a large business.

As for YL, I do think it should be a place where officials are dropped to after a poor performance, though I think it should take more than a questionable penalty to do so.  The NRL has always dropped officials to the lower grades after a bad match or even a bad decision - a few years ago they did it so often that officials became afraid of making decisions, and the game suffered.  There needs to be a balance.  Unfortunately, I don't think FIFA want to use NYL as a 'rehabilitation ground', so the question is moot.

And yes, the FFA needs to pull their head out of their arse and get past this notion that Shield, Breeze and Williams are the 3 best officials in the country, end of discussion.  The FFA have shown zero interest in allowing other officials a fair chance to promote their rankings, nor have they shown any interest in recognising when those 3 slip in their performances.  Again, politics is to blame.
 

tyson

Well-Known Member
I think the refereeing has been HEAPS better this year. But some of the calls are still a bit ridiculous. That penalty was quite 'wtf' worthy... Hutch got carded for the same theatrics last week, you could see the ball get kicked away well before Cristiano Ronaldo jumped in the air, and Bojic clearly attempted to pull out after his initial contact with the ball.

Unfortunately these huge errors they are making are costing teams games. I am not talking about the close ones, like Matty Simon getting tackled outside of the box last night... I am talking about the obvious ones like Hollands hand ball and last nights penalty... EVERYONE else can see it except for 1 guy... it is a little beyond coincidence when it is happening so often.

Other than that though, the referees aren't doing so bad I don't think.
 

mariners4ever

Well-Known Member
Capn Gus Bloodbeard said:
Video replays won't work.  It's simply the wrong game.

As for the penalty, I can think of two possible explanations:-

1)Williams simply didn't see him hit the ball first.  Sometimes you simply have the wrong angle and there's nothing you can do (if this is the case though, then he should sought his AR's opinion first.  It only takes a moment)

2)He thought our player was going for the attacker ie deliberately and unnecessarily collected him on the follow through (just because you get the ball first, it doesn't necessarily mean there isn't a foul).  I disagree with it, but I find myself wondering which it was....

Throughout the match though, Adelaide probably copped the bigger stick - some of the cautions left me scratching my head.  Then there were the blatantly late tackles designed to slow the game after our 2nd goal which were just as late as earlier ones resulting in a card, but received nothing...

Aside from the cards, and the penalty, I don't think Williams really did too much else wrong (though I missed most of the first half because the Mantra's Foxtel connection was screwing up)

Anyway, I'm sure a number of you know my opinion on the HAL refereeing - that it's the people behind the scenes that need a kick up the arse more than the referees.  Politics is played way, way too much - and naturally this is to the detriment of the game.

Again, the lack of full time referees is a problem.  Is it reasonable to expect these guys to be at peak performance on a weekend when many of them work full time, as well as spending a number of hours during the week training?  There's a good reason many of them perform better on FIFA fixtures - IMO it's because they're not flat out all week, then having to referee elite football when most of us just want to put our feet up after an exhausting week at work.  The issue of part time referees has gotta be affecting performance.

Sub-par performance on the field is only the public front of the problem.  The problem goes beyond what we see.

Unfortunately it's those politics that also keeps underperforming officials in their position, and prevents better officials from rising to the top.  I know of officials who have been told by state coaches that, because of something they've said to that coach, they don't have a chance of getting to the top.  And absolutely disgraceful abuse of power, and as such, blatant corruption - but this is politics.  Really, you get the same nonsense happening in a large business.

As for YL, I do think it should be a place where officials are dropped to after a poor performance, though I think it should take more than a questionable penalty to do so.  The NRL has always dropped officials to the lower grades after a bad match or even a bad decision - a few years ago they did it so often that officials became afraid of making decisions, and the game suffered.  There needs to be a balance.  Unfortunately, I don't think FIFA want to use NYL as a 'rehabilitation ground', so the question is moot.

And yes, the FFA needs to pull their head out of their arse and get past this notion that Shield, Breeze and Williams are the 3 best officials in the country, end of discussion.  The FFA have shown zero interest in allowing other officials a fair chance to promote their rankings, nor have they shown any interest in recognising when those 3 slip in their performances.  Again, politics is to blame.

good post
 

Hagar the Horrible

Well-Known Member
Williams may have made the wrong decision with regards to the penalty, but he crucially let the play go on (when many other referees would have payed a free kick) when Wilkinson was fouled in the lead up to Matt Simon's goal.
 

Sean

Well-Known Member
the referees in the a-league are so inconsistent that every time players go in for a tackle or challenge the ball, im already half way screaming at the ref to not call it a foul.
 

goingtoadisco

Well-Known Member
what a stupid thread. how about you heroes get out there on a sataday with a whistle and give it a go eh ?

that penalty was obvious eh ? oh was that from your view point sitting on your fat ass on the couch ? did you come to that conclusion from the slow motion replay ??

I dont love the refs, i think they f**k up heeps. but when will you guys realise that people f**k up, players f**k up, managers f**k up it just happens.

drop breeze yer thats a good one, whos gonna take his place ? you ? some untested ref from the state league ?
 

FFC Mariner

Well-Known Member
goingtoadisco said:
what a stupid thread. how about you heroes get out there on a sataday with a whistle and give it a go eh ?

that penalty was obvious eh ? oh was that from your view point sitting on your fat ass on the couch ? did you come to that conclusion from the slow motion replay ??

I dont love the refs, i think they f**k up heeps. but when will you guys realise that people f**k up, players f**k up, managers f**k up it just happens.

drop breeze yer thats a good one, whos gonna take his place ? you ? some untested ref from the state league ?

Mate, what happens to you at work if you f**k up time after time after time?? What happens to you at work if you never improve, never get better??

You get the sack - and so should they.

End of
 

Jesus

Jesus
Greenpoleffc said:
goingtoadisco said:
what a stupid thread. how about you heroes get out there on a sataday with a whistle and give it a go eh ?

that penalty was obvious eh ? oh was that from your view point sitting on your fat ass on the couch ? did you come to that conclusion from the slow motion replay ??

I dont love the refs, i think they f**k up heeps. but when will you guys realise that people f**k up, players f**k up, managers f**k up it just happens.

drop breeze yer thats a good one, whos gonna take his place ? you ? some untested ref from the state league ?

Mate, what happens to you at work if you f**k up time after time after time?? What happens to you at work if you never improve, never get better??

You get the sack - and so should they.

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