FFA heel dragging scuttles ambitious Marconi scheme

[elevated position]

One thing the old clubs do have is a nursery system which if you look at CCM yoof from last season you will see these clubs developed these players and as they go to an ALeage club lose their investment. Until all A League clubs have their own system and or affilliated with one then the second tier comp is essential part of the A League growth.

 

[curious]

I think you will find that juniour players numbers far exceed state league clubs fans, old nsl ethnic or whatever.

The FFA needs to get the players in. Ex nsl fans largely follow the a-league. Ex nsl clubs are owed nothing by the FFA who has had to come in and clean the mess they made.

It's nothing to do with being owned anything by anyone and if you would like to point to where I inferred that, I'll run naked around the forum. It's about what they can do for football if permitted.

That said the FFA is not in a defensive position with regards to these clubs. But i think they are being sensible with their dealings.

No ethnic clubs in a-league is essential.

Why do people tend to think they know more of the intent of the comment of the poster in thinking they can read something between the lines that's not there to be read? You can read dastardly minds? If you want to read my mind, send a canary in first to check it's safe to enter. Okie?
'Cooperative inclusive approach', as posted previously, doesn't mean 'ethnic clubs in a-league is essential', it means 'Cooperative inclusive approach'.

The FFA has little other involvement with these clubs as they deal with their state feds.

Until the state feds come into line with crawford, why should state league clubs, who have voting rights with the state feds, be given some special treatment or olive branch?

No 'special treatment' requested.  An olive branch might just be very advantageous to football, with football in general being the major beneficiary of a 'cooperative, inclusive approach'.
Can you explain the comment re the state feds and the Crawford report, please?

I am yet to see any suggestion that the FFA gives 2 f**ks about putting down the ex nsl clubs.

Just because they dont praise them, which they shouldnt IMO, doesnt mean they are at war

There ya go again with an inference about what I think. The canary is having a giggle.

 

[scottmac]

No 'special treatment' requested.  An olive branch might just be very advantageous to football, with football in general being the major beneficiary of a 'cooperative, inclusive approach'.

There will never be an olive branch extended to ethnic associated clubs nor will they ever seek to have an inclusive approach regarding them. I think that has been made quite clear from the first day of operation for the FFA.

What i dont understand is why the FFA didn't use the club to its (and the A-League's) advantage. (assuming that it was possible to do so in the first place going off of what happened last year)

 

[curious]

hor=scottmac link=topic=4914.msg145231#msg145231 date=1272017922]

No 'special treatment' requested.  An olive branch might just be very advantageous to football, with football in general being the major beneficiary of a 'cooperative, inclusive approach'.

There will never be an olive branch extended to ethnic associated clubs nor will they ever seek to have an inclusive approach regarding them. I think that has been made quite clear from the first day of operation for the FFA.

What i dont understand is why the FFA didn't use the club to its (and the A-League's) advantage. (assuming that it was possible to do so in the first place going off of what happened last year)

No, actually, they made it clear that clubs with ethnic affiliation would continue to be excluded from the aleague and I'm not suggesting aleage inclusion.


What do the people that seemingly have an abhorrence of ethnic based community clubs, ultimately  want? Total elimination of all ethnic clubs from Australian football or just exclusion from the aleague? Exclusion from elite football in general?

 

[FFC Mariner]

Given that we are a multicultural society and rightly have no place for ethnic divisions, personally I would dissolve ANY organisation that promotes/supports/encourages ethnic divisions.

Imagine to outcry if someone set up a sporting club that favoured anglo-saxon heritage and values............

f**k them off into the waste bin of sectarian history and lets move on

 

[Jesus]

I think you will find that juniour players numbers far exceed state league clubs fans, old nsl ethnic or whatever.

The FFA needs to get the players in. Ex nsl fans largely follow the a-league. Ex nsl clubs are owed nothing by the FFA who has had to come in and clean the mess they made.

It's nothing to do with being owned anything by anyone and if you would like to point to where I inferred that, I'll run naked around the forum. It's about what they can do for football if permitted.

That said the FFA is not in a defensive position with regards to these clubs. But i think they are being sensible with their dealings.

No ethnic clubs in a-league is essential.

Why do people tend to think they know more of the intent of the comment of the poster in thinking they can read something between the lines that's not there to be read? You can read dastardly minds? If you want to read my mind, send a canary in first to check it's safe to enter. Okie?
'Cooperative inclusive approach', as posted previously, doesn't mean 'ethnic clubs in a-league is essential', it means 'Cooperative inclusive approach'.

The FFA has little other involvement with these clubs as they deal with their state feds.

Until the state feds come into line with crawford, why should state league clubs, who have voting rights with the state feds, be given some special treatment or olive branch?

No 'special treatment' requested.  An olive branch might just be very advantageous to football, with football in general being the major beneficiary of a 'cooperative, inclusive approach'.
Can you explain the comment re the state feds and the Crawford report, please?

I am yet to see any suggestion that the FFA gives 2 f**ks about putting down the ex nsl clubs.

Just because they dont praise them, which they shouldnt IMO, doesnt mean they are at war

There ya go again with an inference about what I think. The canary is having a giggle.

Stating an opinion does not mean that i am inferring you think the opposite.

For example re state feds and crawford, when was the last time you voted for positions in state feds?

 

[curious]

No idea what you are speaking about. Can you clarify by not answering a question with a question, please.


Could anyone that doesn't want any ethnic based clubs involvement, answer the question below as posted previously, please. Just to clarify the position of the average forum posting fan and for my own curiosity.

What do the people that seemingly have an abhorrence of ethnic based community clubs, ultimately  want? Total elimination of all ethnic clubs from Australian football or just exclusion from the aleague? Exclusion from elite football in general?

 

[scottmac]

No idea what you are speaking about. Can you clarify by not answering a question with a question, please.


Could anyone that doesn't want any ethnic based clubs involvement, answer the question below as posted previously, please. Just to clarify the position of the average forum posting fan and for my own curiosity.

What do the people that seemingly have an abhorrence of ethnic based community clubs, ultimately  want? Total elimination of all ethnic clubs from Australian football or just exclusion from the aleague? Exclusion from elite football in general?

Exclusion from elite football. No A-League no B-League no cup involvement. Basically no chance of representing Australian football in a comp such as the ACL.

 

[curious]

No idea what you are speaking about. Can you clarify by not answering a question with a question, please.


Could anyone that doesn't want any ethnic based clubs involvement, answer the question below as posted previously, please. Just to clarify the position of the average forum posting fan and for my own curiosity.

What do the people that seemingly have an abhorrence of ethnic based community clubs, ultimately  want? Total elimination of all ethnic clubs from Australian football or just exclusion from the aleague? Exclusion from elite football in general?

Exclusion from elite football. No A-League no B-League no cup involvement. Basically no chance of representing Australian football in a comp such as the ACL.

By elite i meant state league level btw. No internal cup competition? Who would play the aleague clubs if 80% of the strongest clubs around the country outside aleague can't play? So no problem as long as they never get a chance to represent Australia? What about playing oversees?

 

[Jesus]

No idea what you are speaking about. Can you clarify by not answering a question with a question, please.


Could anyone that doesn't want any ethnic based clubs involvement, answer the question below as posted previously, please. Just to clarify the position of the average forum posting fan and for my own curiosity.

What do the people that seemingly have an abhorrence of ethnic based community clubs, ultimately  want? Total elimination of all ethnic clubs from Australian football or just exclusion from the aleague? Exclusion from elite football in general?

Exclusion from elite football. No A-League no B-League no cup involvement. Basically no chance of representing Australian football in a comp such as the ACL.

By elite i meant state league level btw. No internal cup competition? Who would play the aleague clubs if 80% of the strongest clubs around the country outside aleague can't play? So no problem as long as they never get a chance to represent Australia? What about playing oversees?

I think you will find that some previous ethnic clubs are trying to leave the ethnicity in the social club, and not on the pitch. We dont need greek/italian/croation/ any other than australian flags at games with australian teams.

This is not anti being ethnic, or having ethnic fans, this is anti exclusionism.

Australia is about tolerance and multiculturalism. Any club who does not respect that, should not be involved.

Most state league clubs, would not be ethnic clubs would they? These days anyway. Anyone with a solid geographical knowledge of the different state leagues could answer that one.

 

[curious]

Anyone with a computer link to the web could answer that. State feds have comp listings.
My answer is, yes, most are. They are also overwhelmingly stronger, wealthier and better run than others. Mainly as a result of the large community attitude to assisting their club. None of the usual handful of people that get lumped with doing everything in the club because the rest are too damn lazy or couldn't give a shit.

BTW. Some of Australia " is about tolerance and multiculturalism", much still isn't.

 

[Jesus]

Anyone with a computer link to the web could answer that. State feds have comp listings.
My answer is, yes, most are. They are also overwhelmingly stronger, wealthier and better run than others. Mainly as a result of the large community attitude to assisting their club. None of the usual handful of people that get lumped with doing everything in the club because the rest are too damn lazy or couldn't give a shit.

BTW. Some of Australia " is about tolerance and multiculturalism", much still isn't.

I think you will find just about all those ethnic clubs are either majorly in debt, or have sold a decent slice of assets to stay solvent. Especially the ex nsl

 

[Jesus]

Anyone with a computer link to the web could answer that. State feds have comp listings.
My answer is, yes, most are. They are also overwhelmingly stronger, wealthier and better run than others. Mainly as a result of the large community attitude to assisting their club. None of the usual handful of people that get lumped with doing everything in the club because the rest are too damn lazy or couldn't give a shit.

BTW. Some of Australia " is about tolerance and multiculturalism", much still isn't.

So you would like a white supremicist team in the a-league, and every week they can beat up the blackies, wogs, poofs and asians. More ways for 7 to say "race riot at sokkah" are notnecessary.

They will do a sstory on a "race riot" in state leagues whilst not mentioning anything about a-league/roos/state league games.

 

[curious]

By gee, Father Jesus, I'm afraid the higher level of social conscience shown in your sermons is just beyond my understanding and shoots over my head like a cheap haircut. In a nutshell, I have no bloody idea what you're talking about. Best leave it at that eh?