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Bums on seats

bikinigirl

Well-Known Member
If people are going to say 5:30 kickoff is interrupting my Saturday activities of (insert boring crap here) as a reason NOT to go to a game then the problem lies elsewhere. People should rather be at the football, watching their team win/lose/draw, than anywhere else.

. but some people have a life away from football ... whether that is sport, work or family/kid-stuff it is not always avoidable. i do other non-boring crap as well, but i have the flexibility to manage it around the football - some don't

It just seems the passion for most people isn't there ... snipped ... we need more people feeling like it is their duty to be at every game cheering their team on, no matter what.

. nailed it!

. this is what i liked about what i heard on 2GO ... 'twas definitely their theme - and good on 'em!
 

adz

Moderator
Staff member
. but some people have a life away from football ... whether that is sport, work or family/kid-stuff it is not always avoidable. i do other non-boring crap as well, but i have the flexibility to manage it around the football - some don't

I didn't mean to offend anyone there. I've missed games this season due to unavoidable reasons, it's when it comes down to things like mowing the lawn or re-arranging the fridge magnets vs going to the football....
 

timmers

Well-Known Member
I can't remember where I read it, but I'm sure I have seen something from the club saying that they requested 5:30 kick-offs from the FFA for this season?

I couldn't get there on Sat due to cricket and the fact that I live in Sydney. 730 is the best time for me, but I think it is good that the draw has us playing in a timeslot consistantly over the season, that way those who can make it at that time can build up a routine of "what you doing this weekend?" "Going to the Mariners on Saturday night".
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
I too think the 17:30 is a difficult time... especially if you have kids.... its to early to feed them before the game and you can't expect them to wait until you get home ... or buy some takeawy on the way home... It means buying food at the stadium which is it stadium prices and stadium standard... meaning generally expensive and crap...

You can take some with you if you like.... the weather has been kind to us in that it has not been hot ... but getting folk off the beach or away from the water during summer is again difficult...

ADZ makes an excellent point about the passion... heck not enough is true ... how to get more ...

Part of the answer lies with the senior park teams.... somehow as a club we need to connect to the park teams in the association were a sense of going to our games becomes part of ethos of the local park teams...

I sat on a committee of a local park team in Sydney and still play in the over 35's.... very few players in the over 35's attend A-League games nor do many of the players in the senior teams...the people on the football club committee cared little about the A-League and saw approaches by FFA & A-League clubs as people coming to use them .... Somehow the connection between [I speak from my experience and my club, I accept it may be different with others] the local football club committee and clubs does not have the football committe going out and banging the gong for the A-League nor FFA...

If we cannot connect with these people then the question needs to be asked more broadly than just our club ... BUT why and what do you want... everything cost money and of all clubs we do heaps more than the others...

In case its not done here is a suggestion for the club... create a committe group were each of the local park teams is given for their committe a number of free tickets to attend... then work on this group.... as the answer to the grass roots to the professional league is through the local park teams committees...
 

Julz

Active Member
It's so good to see this passion, its even better when you see this passion at the games. I have been trying for years to get non football lovers to come to a game, they just laugh me off. I know if I can get them there they will get hooked just like I did. I got free tickets (worked for Future School) to games in season one, kept putting it off and then my sister said her family would come with me. That was it, I was hooked, and it wasnt what was playing on the pitch ( I had no idea about football) it was the atmosphere, I had never experienced it before, I couldnt stop watching the Marinators and now we go every week :)
 

BrisRecky

I'm an idiot savant without the pesky savant bit
I can see where the 17.30 kickoff can be a pest, what with cricket and what have you going on, doesn't worry me and Mrs Recky any, but it proves to be inconvenient for many....BUT....there is nothing that can be done now for this season...so next season, I think we all agree that kickoffs start no earlier than 18.00...also if we dont crash and burn and or even go good in the ACL,the crowds may pick up...thats when the media should start for next season, while the ACL is on....OH yeah and annoy the crap outta people ( in the nicest way possible) about getting to a game
 

Atomic

Well-Known Member
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Part of the answer lies with the senior park teams.... somehow as a club we need to connect to the park teams in the association were a sense of going to our games becomes part of ethos of the local park teams...

I sat on a committee of a local park team in Sydney and still play in the over 35's.... very few players in the over 35's attend A-League games nor do many of the players in the senior teams...the people on the football club committee cared little about the A-League and saw approaches by FFA & A-League clubs as people coming to use them .... Somehow the connection between [I speak from my experience and my club, I accept it may be different with others] the local football club committee and clubs does not have the football committe going out and banging the gong for the A-League nor FFA...

If we cannot connect with these people then the question needs to be asked more broadly than just our club ... BUT why and what do you want... everything cost money and of all clubs we do heaps more than the others...

In case its not done here is a suggestion for the club... create a committe group were each of the local park teams is given for their committe a number of free tickets to attend... then work on this group.... as the answer to the grass roots to the professional league is through the local park teams committees...

You're spot on MF. I play in a 35's team where the post match discussion over a beer is usually about the NRL and barely a word is said about the Mariners. All these guys have kids that play soccer and have access to the free memberships, yet only a couple take their kids to the games.

I dont know how to make the connection with my team mates. They all like sport, the are interested in the Mariners and they monitor their performances. They just dont go to the matches.

One suggestion may be.... maybe the Mariners can put together some kind of package where a 35's team can do something with the Mariners which is a bit of a novelty... perhaps have a kick around one evening, followed by a meal. I honestly dont know what a good package would be, but if the fathers' could engage directly with the players and staff, then that may draw them to the games.

What we seem to be forgetting here is that the Coast doesn't have a rich footballing heritage. Argue the point all you want, but the Central Coast is NRL territory. Generation X (i.e. me) are starting from square 1 when it comes to emotionally investing in the Mariners, whereas I've had generations of my family follow rugby league.

The point is, you cant expect people to switch on overnight (or in the space of 7 seasons). Telling people to harden the f**k up and just get to the games is just dumb. At least this season, we are heading in the right direction... not 100% in the right direction, but moving forward nonetheless.

RESOLVE OUR FINANCIAL ISSUES!!! That would be a big step. What is Joe Average thinking when deciding to go to see this team called the "Mariners" for the first time??? "Who wants to start following a team that might not exist next season?" The Coast was burnt by the ill-fated Northern Eagles debarcle, so why expend energy on another entity that may go bankrupt? So, Solve the financial problems of the Club and you'll go a long way to getting bums on seats.
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
TV dictates our fixtures to some extent - we're not prime-time fare compared to Harry Kewell Melbourne vs Adelaide. That means we get 5:30 fixtures when we've always done better on the later games it seems.

Does anyone have a good spreadsheet of all fixtures, their times and whatnot? I'd love to pick some stats apart on those.
 

style_cafe

Well-Known Member
I think Midfielder is on the right track.
The freebie tickets to Club committee members is a good idea.
It rewards volunteers in the football family for giving their time.It would also create more of a bond for committee members to attend together,their kids would have the Ausgrid tickets, so they only pay for their partner or they bring friends who also pay.

Another good point that was raised, was that the kids become the paying supporters of the future.
Why not have a junior Yellow Army type supporters club for the kids? Give them a designated bay,provide face painting,encourage them to bring flags,make their our chants etc.
Encourage the players to acknowledge them,sign their shirts,autographs.Select some for a half time competition(give away a bike or something substantial (Xbox maybe) from sponsors.
Give them Maccas vouchers,get the ground announcer to acknowledge them,put them on the big screen..etc.
The more kids that come the more parents that bring them.

The 2GO reference also gives rise to some more ways to get people in.As part of the advertising for the games the kids should be encouraged to organise their parents.
This was part of my philosophy when I coached Rep teams.The players had to organise themselves & their parents to get ready for the games or training.Believe me,it worked!
If your son/daughter gets themselves ready & gives you reminders that the game is on it`s hard to say no.

Another idea(for the start of the season) is to have a march past of all the junior clubs affiliated with the Mariners.All the players are invited to represent their club in the march around the stadium prior to the opening game.It gives the kids pride in their club but also shows them that they are part of something bigger.

A further untapped market is the retirement villages(Many of which have their own bus).
Visits from Mariners players to these facilities & the organisation of an easy access area for entry & egress from the buses, may bring more spectators.
For many of the older folk it would be a good day out.
 

Julz

Active Member
I think Midfielder is on the right track.
The freebie tickets to Club committee members is a good idea.
It rewards volunteers in the football family for giving their time.It would also create more of a bond for committee members to attend together,their kids would have the Ausgrid tickets, so they only pay for their partner or they bring friends who also pay.

Another good point that was raised, was that the kids become the paying supporters of the future.
Why not have a junior Yellow Army type supporters club for the kids? Give them a designated bay,provide face painting,encourage them to bring flags,make their our chants etc.
Encourage the players to acknowledge them,sign their shirts,autographs.Select some for a half time competition(give away a bike or something substantial (Xbox maybe) from sponsors.
Give them Maccas vouchers,get the ground announcer to acknowledge them,put them on the big screen..etc.
The more kids that come the more parents that bring them.

The 2GO reference also gives rise to some more ways to get people in.As part of the advertising for the games the kids should be encouraged to organise their parents.
This was part of my philosophy when I coached Rep teams.The players had to organise themselves & their parents to get ready for the games or training.Believe me,it worked!
If your son/daughter gets themselves ready & gives you reminders that the game is on it`s hard to say no.

Another idea(for the start of the season) is to have a march past of all the junior clubs affiliated with the Mariners.All the players are invited to represent their club in the march around the stadium prior to the opening game.It gives the kids pride in their club but also shows them that they are part of something bigger.

A further untapped market is the retirement villages(Many of which have their own bus).
Visits from Mariners players to these facilities & the organisation of an easy access area for entry & egress from the buses, may bring more spectators.
For many of the older folk it would be a good day out.
ooooh I work in a Retirement Village will put the feelers out tomorrow
 

Wombat

Well-Known Member
My13yo went with 5 other mates and was buzzing after the game. That's cheaper than the movies and way more fun he said. A couple of the kids were rep league players and they all had a ball and apparently they are all going to the next home game. My son is not a die hard Mariners fans and probably goes to less than half the games in a season but once he makes the effort he really enjoys the experience.
We just have to encourage as many to attend and as long as we keep winning and playing well....hopefully most of them will stick.
 

true believer

Well-Known Member
Mmm.

A few people lost interest/felt burnt in our more lack lustre seasons. I used to have several more friends with season tickets than I do now. But earlier kick offs are definitely harder I think. They impinge on peoples wrap up times of their social day time plans - especially when you consider getting there and finding parking etc I usually allow at least an hour before kick off, which for a 5:30 kickoff, means there's no go home and get ready or feed kids period after your daily outings. It all has to be pre planned and a big long day out. I know no less than a dozen people who didn't make the game due to social events and commitments on that day which left not enough time to then also get to the game.

Personally on Sat, I finished work at 5:30 and RACED to the game. But couldn't find a park anywhere. Drove around the Gosford hills for fifteen minutes desperately searching for a park and ended up settling on a piece of grass in a remote back street down towards Paddy's with the car sitting half in and half out of the many nonsensical no standing zones...

I now have a $206 dollar fine for my efforts. Wonderfully depressing Christmas present for a devoted supporter that one. If I had parked across someones driveway or somewhere even remotely dangerous, no problem at all. But it was just the most innocuous spot. Bloody upsetting. If I knew all monies raised on game days went to the club I'd cop these ticket blitz's much sweeter. As it is, it really got my goat.

I usually eat somewhere close and arrive early to avoid this, but with work it was completely unavoidable, and this makes late arrivals to games from activities or work a real issue.

BUT I got to see us win the Derby.


i hear you bro. i finishing 15 minutes early .drove like a dickhead to the game. to walked down the iles with the players walking out.
 

Teddy Bear

Well-Known Member
We built up a good following in the first few years and we were gowing from year to year. The club seemed to be getting right during these years. The club managed to engage the fans by giving them respect. The Mariners seemed to be in every second page of the express with the players engaging with the schools which seemed to atract great publicity. The players engaged with fans after the game at a post match function which made the fans feel they were part of the club.

Even before the game the Kendall bar was packed with singing and cheering before the game and seemed to be ever increasing in numbers before the game. Those first few years were great.

In my opinion things seemed to have gone downhill when the following happened:
- Post match functions cancelled
- Occassional home matches moved to Canberra
- The spin given by the club as to why the games were moved to Canberra
- Grand Final being moved to SFS
- Radio contract given to StarFM (to a lesser extent)
- Split and demise of the marinators
- Lack of communication from the club with the fans
- Decrease in the amount of Mariners in the media

I gave my membership away last season for the reasons above (apart fron the StarFM contract). I used to plan my life around the home games, I now make the home games secondary in my life. If I don't have anything arranged when a home game is on then I go to the game.

Not sure how the club can fix it because people like myself with long memories need some sort of guarantee that fans will not be treated like disposable assets. The Jets seemed to go through a brief period like us not so long ago under Con with a lot of disgruntled supporters. There now seems to be a lot of re-newed energy within that club with Tinkler and his dollars. Perhaps if we get new backers we may see the the club also get injected with new energy. Until then I think it is going to be a hard slog to fill the ground.

In the short term as the majority of the games are at the kid friendly time of 5.30 why don't they make kids tickets free. What do they have to lose?
 

Redshirt

Well-Known Member
I wonder if the subject of the current supporters has been raised yet?

The Mariners are trying to create a family friendly message, then we get clear chants from the Yellow Army telling Jets fans to f**k off. Flares outside the stadium (not our fault I know), fights inside for the sake of fighting.. why would a family take their children there when they can watch it on tv without being exposed to it?

I'm not suggesting we become grannies but I do put forward that there's certain things going on that are confusing the message of the FFA and CCM
 

Jerem

Well-Known Member
perhaps its that announcer with those innane
"lets hear it for your team" type caper that
keeps people away?, that and the whole pre/halftime show stuff
is incredibly artificial (not the 5 a side stuff), id prefer ear plugs
and sus out the generation after our next generation of Socceroos,
for when we DO LEGITIMATELY get the WC 2022. . .

in other words we cant force passion like that,
it is a culture that MUST grow to be solid. when ever i hear that
dude say that crap i feel so uninspired to make any noise
rather, talk to m'lady. . .

still very glad i went north from north sydney oval not south!!
 

nomad

Member
The Ausgrid initiative is great, my kids registered as soon as they got it. But we did this because we're already active CCM supporters and we knew it was coming. I think one of the main reasons 90% of central coast winter football kids have not taken this offer is because they know nothing about it or don't consider it important. If you don't believe me? Have a look at any of the central coast football club websites to see how much communication and marketing has happened for CCM on this. Zero!

As far as I'm concerned CCM need to market and drive this better. They have a potential local customer base of 20K Mariners supporters just through the local football clubs. This can't be ignored. A simple bit of weekly communication and marketing to all central coast clubs (perhaps even broaden this to other neighbour associations) including graphics and banners for their websites would only help here. They could also get smarter with their Ausgrid membership offerings by doing it at the end of winter season at club trophy days i.e. All kids get presented their Ausgrid membership along with their trophy and a bunch of other merchandise (stickers etc from CCM). It would be even better if a few reps from CCM were at each club's trophy day where the entire club turns up. You couldn't ask for better exposure than this in one day, especially when some clubs have up to 1000 registered players.

As the 2012 winter football season ramps up after the Christmas break CCM really need to be seriously engaging all these potential new members/supporters.
 

MrCelery

Well-Known Member
I don't think there is a problem with ticket prices, kickoff times, weather too hot, too cold, too windy, too sunny, too cloudy, too humid, too dry... all of these are generally thrown around as excuses but they are pretty minor things really.

If people are going to say 5:30 kickoff is interrupting my Saturday activities of (insert boring crap here) as a reason NOT to go to a game then the problem lies elsewhere. People should rather be at the football, watching their team win/lose/draw, than anywhere else.

It just seems the passion for most people isn't there. We have a good little core crowd building now, and we have quite a few fence-sitters (or fairweather fans) who will go to the big games, but we need more people feeling like it is their duty to be at every game cheering their team on, no matter what. How? .... uhhhhmmmmmmm...

That's exactly the point I was trying to make with my inelegant "Harden the f**k up" comment. I don't back away from that comment though - we DO need to get to a point where we have a bigger hard core support that would crawl over broken glass to get to a game. We need to build that sort of loyalty\attitude.

Loyalty can be built in a number of ways:
Loyalty to the Club through promoting the 'Mariners' brand
Loyalty to the region through promoting the 'Central Coast' brand
Loyalty to the team and players eg. through promoting our individual players, especially 'stars' so that they are seen as true celebrities
Loyalty to the football code through promoting to players and officials from other areas of football community, eg. grass roots, local comps, etc.
Loyalty to the fellow fans that attend games, eg. support for each other inside the stadium

I'm sure the Club to some degree has all these covered, and some additional angles have been suggested already in this thread, but I'm sure there are other angles\ideas yet to be tapped.

A couple more points.

Media
Central Coast has a big twin obstacle in being 1) wedged between the bigger cities of Sydney and Newcastle, cities that have their own major media outlets, and 2) being just north of the worst promoted Club in the A-League - Sydney - who attract pitiful crowd numbers. That is a big impediment that will mainly lessen as the internet medium reaches it's fuller potential through generational change, and the anti-football print medium becomes less relevant.

Excess humility
The Central Coast also, probably more so than other places, has the 'tall poppy' mentality. That can be a negative as well as a positive. We pride ourselves on being the underdog, flying below the radar, having a 'no dickheads' player policy, being a 'workmanlike' squad, punching above our weight, etc. All good stuff, but not something that bankable in a marketing sense when trying to convert\attract new followers. Let's face it - we are a magnificent Club, with some real stars, and a very good coaching staff, sitting on top of the table.

Ground atmosphere
While I can understand the ground announcer is trying their hardest to generate some noise and involvement from the grandstands with their "Let's cheer for your team", I groan when I think that we've sunk to that level. All you get is a half-hearted one second 'Yeah' and all falls silent again (apart from Bay 16).

I'll pre-empt my next point by saying that I think the Yellow Army is absolutely fantastic in it's passion and wit (TIFO), and its engine for singing the entire match, and the new repertoire of 'Euro chants'.

But, I also think that things have dipped slightly when it comes to engaging the whole stadium. In the Marinator days there was always a few simple chants that would get the other bays rocking, and there were visual displays that were more visible beyond the bay. Not talking here about the pre-game banner of course, that's superb. I mean flags and mini- banners. They've nearly vanished.

While the TIFO is fantastic and I hope it continues (I've never laughed so much as after the Jets one last weekend), it's a damned lot of work for a sixty second airtime, never to be seen again. It would be nice to see plenty of colour and motion again at various other times in the match. And I don't mean ripping flares.

Experience should tell us that you will never get the other bays singing along to the more complicated Yellow Army tunes, nor witty offensive songs, good as they may be. While "Mariners, Mariners, Mariners" is a simple chant and some hate it, its strength is in getting the less musically inclined involved. There was a hint of that in the last match. Nothing like the whole stadium chanting in unison to get the spine tingling. The Yellow Army getting the timing right to engage the other bays and replacing the ground announcer's plea is what I would like to see. Maybe there are other super-simple chants that we can use?

Sponsor tie-ins
One of the biggest and best potential community promotional tie-ins has got to be our sponsorship with 'Soccer5's'. If this enterprise succeeds as it should, as it does world-wide, it is a massive win-win for football at the grass roots and A-league level. We see the 'Soccer5's' staff and logo everywhere on match day. Do we see the Mariners brand being pumped heavily at 'Soccer5s' venue? I hope so. Considering they are our major sponsors, maybe it's worth a pinned topic under the Central Coast football section on this site? Could cover tournaments, teams, leagues, promos, etc., or just general banter.

Finally, a little humour in regards to the issue of club\player loyalty. We Aussies are mostly way behind in that department when compared to overseas. I spotted this in Amsterdam:

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It is a shrine for football fans to pray and light a candle for their favourite deceased player or coach. Now that's loyalty!
 

jaypee

Well-Known Member
Most of what has been said here is spot on however I think you are overlooking the elephant in the room - namely that the region is still a Thugby League region. I would love to see the stats that CCM has per year for ground average - I bet it coincides with the year we had Aloisi. Sorry to say it but we need a name player who will put bums on seats (yes I know we have no $$$).

The region is fickle and wants to come and see a name player to get excited by. Yes I know many of you will say that the way the team plays should be reason enough and that Marquee players are not necesarily the key to success. I agree but ..... if you want bums on seats we need one.

I agree with an earlier comment that a number of things contributed - but I would say Star FM wasn't one of them. Pretty sure it was the demographic they were after.

I also worry how the constant media hype of our impending financial doom weighs on the supporters (rightly or wrongly)...
 

Wombat

Well-Known Member
The Ausgrid initiative is great, my kids registered as soon as they got it. But we did this because we're already active CCM supporters and we knew it was coming. I think one of the main reasons 90% of central coast winter football kids have not taken this offer is because they know nothing about it or don't consider it important. If you don't believe me? Have a look at any of the central coast football club websites to see how much communication and marketing has happened for CCM on this. Zero!

As far as I'm concerned CCM need to market and drive this better. They have a potential local customer base of 20K Mariners supporters just through the local football clubs. This can't be ignored. A simple bit of weekly communication and marketing to all central coast clubs (perhaps even broaden this to other neighbour associations) including graphics and banners for their websites would only help here. They could also get smarter with their Ausgrid membership offerings by doing it at the end of winter season at club trophy days i.e. All kids get presented their Ausgrid membership along with their trophy and a bunch of other merchandise (stickers etc from CCM). It would be even better if a few reps from CCM were at each club's trophy day where the entire club turns up. You couldn't ask for better exposure than this in one day, especially when some clubs have up to 1000 registered players.

As the 2012 winter football season ramps up after the Christmas break CCM really need to be seriously engaging all these potential new members/supporters.


Very good ideas!
 

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