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BRING ON THE DYNASTY

brett

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We may have done it the hard way, but we finally secured the A-League Premiership (nothing minor about it) in the very last game of the regular season.

This was a huge achievement for the club and one that outweighs Grand Final success in the eyes of many fans I speak with. Consistency over 21 weeks shines brighter than one frantic month of finals football.

Grabbing first place also secures a spot in the 2009 AFC Champions League. Playing the best of the best from Asia is what every fan, player and coach is really after and having already earned this right, we can cruise through the finals with less pressure than the other teams. We can simply celebrate our moment in the spotlight.

Whatever happens in the rest of the finals, the fans will be looking forward to next season with great anticipation. Of the teams who have enjoyed Premiership and Championship success so far, being Adelaide, Sydney, Melbourne and the Mariners, I believe its us who stand the best chance of backing up our fantastic season with another two or three that are equally as good.

Adelaide United, who finished in the top two in the first two A-League seasons, benefited from older players who were very consistent. They failed in both finals series, and now their squad has broken up, they missed the four.

Sydney FC have also relied on older players to make the finals every year, and win the Grand Final in the first year, but their instability on and off the field has stopped them from delivering genuine sustained success.

Then there is Melbourne Victory, who appear to be a one-hit wonder after falling from the lofty perch they created for themselves last year.

Back on Premiership Coast, there is a dynasty in the making. We have the most important piece of the puzzle intact: Lawrie McKinna. He is a manager who understands the game in this country and what the Mariners need to do to succeed. He could replicate Sir Alex Ferguson of Manchester United who has been at that club for 21 years, continually planning a year or two ahead to ensure ongoing glory.

We have a club who shares that philosophy. The backroom staff have carefully built the grassroots support since day one and the bumper attendances at Bluetongue are the proof in the pudding.

The club is also a step or three ahead of the pack in terms of setting up our youth academy. Such is the insular state of football on the Central Coast, the Mariners can quite easily expose the youth academy to semi-pro football at Central Coast Lightning, and in time align the 22 local clubs with the development pathway straight into the famous yellow colours.

This may be a longer term view, but in theory the Central Coasts bubble-like nature will make it easier for the Mariners to gain cooperation from the grassroots level, improve the standard of play, and start producing quality home-grown players than in any other A-League franchise.

For now, we have players such as John Hutchinson and Adam Kwasnik to lead the charge until the next decade. Its visible at games that these guys would bleed for the club, and they are the right age to become real clubmen over the next few years. Many of the other clubs have a higher proportion of youngsters on their way overseas or veterans on their way into retirement, leaving them in a state of perpetual change and consistent inconsistency.

For the Mariners, with the right people in charge, and Lawrie at the helm, it will be steady as she goes. A steady flow of trophies, that is.
 

kepo

Well-Known Member
Congrads Mariners,
u guys have really deserved top spot all season.
lets just see wat happends in the finals ;P
 

cruiser

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brett said:
Consistency over 21 weeks shines brighter than one frantic month of finals football.
No it doesnt. At least, not in this country. We all remember who won the grand finals in the 1st and 2nd seasons but are we all sure about who won the premiership?
 

Bear

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cruiser said:
brett said:
Consistency over 21 weeks shines brighter than one frantic month of finals football.
No it doesnt. At least, not in this country. We all remember who won the grand finals in the 1st and 2nd seasons but are we all sure about who won the premiership?

Umm.... yes
 

brett

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The way I think about that is: How farkin dodgy would it have been for anyone but Melbourne to have won the GF last time?

Also the reward of Asia makes the Premiership super valuable.
 

Costar

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I've copped an absolute hiding from the Jets supporters at school (workmates and the students).  But two things shut them up.  We won the league and we're going to Asia.

It'd be nice to get the silverware.  But it would be even better to be the team that is always there making it hard for everyone else.  The team that everyone has to take notice of, and knows the proud history of.  Win or lose, long term consistency will speak volumes in years to come.
 

Davo

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Another great post by you Bretto.

I can't stop thinking how awesome a trip to Asia will be to watch the lads play. 

THE MARINATORS ARE GOING TO ASIA!
 

FFC Mariner

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Finals football is purely an Australian thing to placate Pay TV and try and win over people who are used to this sort of nonsense in other codes.

IMHO 1 & 2 in the regular season should get places in Aisa because the game is about how you perform over 21 weeks not 4.

All cups are a lottery to a certain extent but a full league season defines who is and isnt the best.

When the HAL moves to 10 teams (please) then we will have 27 rounds and it is unarguable that the team that finishes top is the best.
 

dibo

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brett said:
We may have done it the hard way, but we finally secured the A-League Premiership (nothing minor about it) in the very last game of the regular season...

*claps*

top post!
 

Newieutd

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Greenpoleffc said:
Finals football is purely an Australian thing to placate Pay TV and try and win over people who are used to this sort of nonsense in other codes.

IMHO 1 & 2 in the regular season should get places in Aisa because the game is about how you perform over 21 weeks not 4.

All cups are a lottery to a certain extent but a full league season defines who is and isnt the best.

When the HAL moves to 10 teams (please) then we will have 27 rounds and it is unarguable that the team that finishes top is the best.

Would you still say all this if were the other way round.

i.e. Qld winning the last game of the season and you beating them in the Grand final
 

T

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Newieutd said:
Greenpoleffc said:
Finals football is purely an Australian thing to placate Pay TV and try and win over people who are used to this sort of nonsense in other codes.

IMHO 1 & 2 in the regular season should get places in Aisa because the game is about how you perform over 21 weeks not 4.

All cups are a lottery to a certain extent but a full league season defines who is and isnt the best.

When the HAL moves to 10 teams (please) then we will have 27 rounds and it is unarguable that the team that finishes top is the best.

Would you still say all this if were the other way round.

i.e. Qld winning the last game of the season and you beating them in the Grand final

Those in the know would... we almost stuffed up the Premiership, but we pulled through with a little luck and perserverance.
 

FFC Mariner

Well-Known Member
T said:
Newieutd said:
Greenpoleffc said:
Finals football is purely an Australian thing to placate Pay TV and try and win over people who are used to this sort of nonsense in other codes.

IMHO 1 & 2 in the regular season should get places in Aisa because the game is about how you perform over 21 weeks not 4.

All cups are a lottery to a certain extent but a full league season defines who is and isnt the best.

When the HAL moves to 10 teams (please) then we will have 27 rounds and it is unarguable that the team that finishes top is the best.

Would you still say all this if were the other way round.

i.e. Qld winning the last game of the season and you beating them in the Grand final

Those in the know would... we almost stuffed up the Premiership, but we pulled through with a little luck and perserverance.

Absolutely I would, you may have also noticed that my suggestion would have already given you a place in Asia.
 
S

striker

Guest
I agree with you - 1 & 2 in the regular season should get places in Aisa Champions League.  Should be similar to UEFA entry to Champions league.
 

Jesus

Jesus
If there was no place in asia, the grandfinal would be pretty worthless. The finals series is worth too much money to throw it away.

Also, for a team to make the grandfinal and win it, they have to play well in pressure games where results are essential. That is a good quality to have for the ACL, and good experience.

I have no problems with the current system.

If, as expected, there will be 3 a-league teams in the ACL from next season, then make the 2nd in the league get a spot also.

Although, if they do that turn around, where it will actually not be the top 3 from this season, but next instead, then we should get the 3rd spot the first time for winning the league. Then after that top 2 plus GF winner.

Would be quite mad if we did not get to play in asia due to the rule change, especially if we get the 3rd spot for a-league
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
Jesus said:
Although, if they do that turn around, where it will actually not be the top 3 from this season, but next instead, then we should get the 3rd spot the first time for winning the league. Then after that top 2 plus GF winner.

Would be quite mad if we did not get to play in asia due to the rule change, especially if we get the 3rd spot for a-league

won't happen, AFC won't budge on nomination of teams so we're a year out. it's particularly difficult with the likely extension to 27 rounds + finals. FFA made lots of loud noises last week about us being guaranteed asian football.
 
S

striker

Guest
Jesus said:
............. for a team to make the grandfinal and win it, they have to play well in pressure games where results are essential.

That would also apply to a "Cup" tournament  similar to the "F A Cup" in England.

I would prefer to have a series of games to win the "A Cup" instead of  the current finals series alla NRL....

p.s.  make that a D-Cup.... :p
 

kevrenor

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Jesus said:
If there was no place in asia, the grandfinal would be pretty worthless. The finals series is worth too much money to throw it away.

Also, for a team to make the grandfinal and win it, they have to play well in pressure games where results are essential. That is a good quality to have for the ACL, and good experience.

I have no problems with the current system.

Yeah, I reckon we can a long get enough season out of 10-12 teams, with:

a) Proper PreSeason staged KO and FA style Cup - starting with winter State League sides localised and feeding in the HAL clubs about round 3.

b) HAL league premiership - winner of league gets Premiers Plate

c) Finals series (also a Cup really) as now, but say 5/12

Plus ACL for 2 or 3, plus FFA could sponsor/enter next team or two in some of the special club tournaments around Asia

And of course the Mariners with our dynasty will win everything!  :pirate:
 

skilbeck

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I really hate the system the way its set up now. Its set up too much like AFL, and the NRL or anything in America. I like the structure they have virtually everywhere else in the world with the league and the cup being separate. I however, don't mind the fact that ACL qualification comes from the "cup" winner, but I reckon there should be a separate Asian competition for cup winners ultimately.
 

kevrenor

Well-Known Member
skilbeck said:
I really hate the system the way its set up now. Its set up too much like AFL, and the NRL or anything in America.
Not really it's home grown, and it's been like this is Australia for most of the NSL (since 1978) and from when I was still a junior and I started in 1957 (back when it was previously called football).
 

Newieutd

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skilbeck said:
I really hate the system the way its set up now. Its set up too much like AFL, and the NRL or anything in America. I like the structure they have virtually everywhere else in the world with the league and the cup being separate. I however, don't mind the fact that ACL qualification comes from the "cup" winner, but I reckon there should be a separate Asian competition for cup winners ultimately.

I think finals are good simply because it attracts non-football viewers. Finals football is so attractive.

The team who won the premiership deserves an Asia spot, if for instance only one was given out you would give it to the minor premier. 2nd most deserving is the grand final winner. Now if it was that the Grand final winner was to be the Minor premier, it should go to the team that finished 2nd during the season, not the grand final runner-up.

I thought it was completly stupid last season that if we had beat Adelaide to make the Grand final we would have got the second asia spot, it should have gone to adelaide regardless of who won the final
 

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