Battle of Football Codes (and poll hijack)

[northernspirit]

media bias? surely not!

 

[RADINHO]

This article is bullshit! Everywhere in the media says football has 900,000-1,000,000 players even Archie Fraser mentions that figure ("If you put all of those factors together - a million people playing, the World Cup boosting the game every four years, possibly hosting a World Cup in 2018 or 2022, and the fact that the game can be played by both men and women - I do think that will point a lot of people towards playing football.").

Bloody Terrorgraph!

Yes. it's bloody terrible when the media claim statistics without publishing a reputable source for their information. I'm glad you did Mr. Rad. We would hate to think you're just like the Terror. 

What are you implementing about me? :-\

 

[Paolo]

http://www.australia2018-2022.com.au/about-our-bid/index.html
Australia 2018-2022 Bid Book

An estimated 1 million people play the game today with more than half registered through formal competition.

Football is the most popular sport for boys aged 5-14 with approximately 25% of this group playing the game.It has also grown by by an average of 6% for each of the past 5 years amongst girls.

The AFL figures from their 2008 annual report are as follows..

– 290,590 participants in club competitions.
– 163,885 participants in the NAB AFL Auskick program.
– 209,773 participants in school competitions.
  3890 participants in recreational football.
– 5928 participants in veterans competitions.
– 18,986 participants in dedicated female competitions.

 

[midfielder]

Like lets not get into double counting...

290,590 participants in club competitions
209,773 participants in school competitions.

Real registered players are

290,590 participants in club competitions
5,928 participants in veterans competitions.
18,986 participants in dedicated female competitions.

ERRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrr just over 320K .... claim 700 K ....

What pisses me off is they spread the BS around all the time like they are shit scared of other codes ...

 

[curious]

Can you give a breakdown on the official FFA figures to make sure there's no double dipping there too please MF? I'm a little sus at where the rest of the milllion in the  bolded section below on the SSA WC bid site fits in with your mathematics on 'Real registered players' and they wouldn't of course be double dipping by counting school comps like the Bill Turner Cup ect., as formal comps because they aren't "really" formal comps, eh. Naaaahh, never.

An estimated 1 million people play the game today with more than half registered through formal competition.

 

[midfielder]

Can you give a breakdown on the official FFA figures to make sure there's no double dipping there too please MF? I'm a little sus at where the rest of the milllion in the  bolded section below on the SSA WC bid site fits in with your mathematics on 'Real registered players' and they wouldn't of course be double dipping by counting school comps like the Bill Turner Cup ect., as formal comps because they aren't "really" formal comps, eh. Naaaahh, never.

An estimated 1 million people play the game today with more than half registered through formal competition.

The article states very clearly with more than half registered through formal competition.... I have read our registered player numbers are around this figure... the AFL article says 700, 000 registered players ....

 

[curious]

I wasn't speaking of the tele article. It was in regards to the official AFL published figures which you say were double dipped. The questions still stand MF. Could you show the official FFA figures so we can see how their totals are calculated, if they include official school competitions and can you explain where the rest of the claimed estimated 1 million payers, over and above those in 'formal' competition come from and how that figure is estimated? Official numbers, can explain it all, don't you agree?

You are damning the AFL for embellishing, exaggerating or double dipping after seeing their official figures. Is it too much to ask or unfair to ask the FFA claims be scrutinised with a similar vigour?
I'm not arguing the numbers, I'm arguing your rationale that somehow, the FFA is a more honest sporting body in regards to playing numbers and we don't need to see the proof we demand of others. We just believe them because they claim so and we want to. I have read claims in the past myself, but apart from the ABS, I've never been able to find an official accountable & documented source. Without that, they remain claims. Fair?

 

[midfielder]

Curious

I phoned FFA [ 8020 4000 ]and was told the person that could help would be back in on Monday. However the AFL site listed their infornmation on their offical site... all I did was re produce their numbers... the article is published in News limited that they have 700, 000 resistered players ... the web site is Melbourne based stating the 700, 000 and I assumeAFL friendly given it says they have more players than the other codes combined...

Even the TerrOR article had football numbers at 400, 000 registered players... so I am not quite sure of your questioning ... but everything I have ever read has the number between 380, 000 & 500, 000...

I will ask the FFA directly on Monday for their figures ... my very simple point is the AFL make all sorts of claims and many AFL friendly sites do  things as well.. ... But that the AFL numbers are way way way way way overstated and it is hardly ever questioned this is my main point.

 

[curious]

For f#$%^&* sake MF, seriously, are you on medication? If you're not sure what I'm questioning by now, forget it bud. Ok? It's not worth the headache I now have.

I think I've said enough in the subject. Arguing with you re a squeeky clean, halo wearing FFA  and trying to understand two of your lines in a row to boot, is like banging my head against a wall only because it feels good when I stop.
Give me a wife with PMS to argue with. That will be easier. 

 

[Jolly_Roger]

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Products/4901.0~Apr+2009~Main+Features~Organised+sport?OpenDocument

In 2009, the most popular sport for children was swimming with a participation rate of 19% (502,900). This was followed by outdoor soccer at 13% (360,400) and Australian Rules football at 9% (235,100). For boys, the most popular sports were outdoor soccer (20% or 277,800), swimming (17% or 240,100) and Australian Rules football (16% or 223,700). In comparison, the sports most popular among girls were swimming (20% or 262,800), netball (17% or 225,000) and gymnastics (8% or 101,200). (Table 1)

I remember hearing once that swimming was the most popular sport and couldnt figure it at the time.

I suppose swimming is unique in that apart from being a sport, it is a life skill as well. Therefore  I would imagine that all children that take swimming leasons are rolled up into the figures.

 

[Jazzie]

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Products/4901.0~Apr+2009~Main+Features~Organised+sport?OpenDocument

In 2009, the most popular sport for children was swimming with a participation rate of 19% (502,900). This was followed by outdoor soccer at 13% (360,400) and Australian Rules football at 9% (235,100). For boys, the most popular sports were outdoor soccer (20% or 277,800), swimming (17% or 240,100) and Australian Rules football (16% or 223,700). In comparison, the sports most popular among girls were swimming (20% or 262,800), netball (17% or 225,000) and gymnastics (8% or 101,200). (Table 1)

I remember hearing once that swimming was the most popular sport and couldnt figure it at the time.

I suppose swimming is unique in that apart from being a sport, it is a life skill as well. Therefore  I would imagine that all children that take swimming leasons are rolled up into the figures.

Yes, the swimming class angle crossed my mind too. My son was in nippers for years ... lots of kids do that.

 

[Jesus]

Couldnt see where better to post this...

Get your hands off our name
Mark Stevens
From: Herald Sun March 27, 2010 12:00AM

THERE it was, stretched out on the wing at Etihad Stadium, in all its glory.
An electronic billboard trumpeting Qantas's proud support of "Australian football".

It was reason to stop and prop. This was not an AFL match, but the A-League grand final.

Poor form from Qantas and the sport once known as soccer.

There is only one Australian football. That is the game that started this weekend.

Both Qantas, and the round ball game, are clearly getting ahead of themselves.

Slowly, but surely, the sport is infiltrating the sporting psyche, rebranding itself as "football".

It has become trendy to use the term. "It's the world game," supporters say, happily rubbing the claim in the face of the sport that has always been known as Australian football.

Memo Football Federation Australia: If you like the term football so much, call yourselves the "Footyroos" and be done with it.

Same for Qantas. Go with "footy" on the side of those gimmicky planes bound for South Africa if you think soccer is so old hat.

Let's stick with footy and soccer, please. Keep a separation. It's the way it's always been.

It capped off a big week for sponsors and "footy".

We were rocked by the revelation St Kilda's new training venue would be named Linen House Centre at Frankston. Hold the back page!

Could you come up with a softer sounding sponsor than Linen House? Shouldn't training venue names be more about blood and sweat than pillow cases.

Next Essendon will rename its famous ground Haberdashery Hill.

Then the Lexus Centre became the Westpac Centre. Was this supposed to be news?

The AFL got in on the act, sending a media release telling us Swisse was now the official vitamin of the league. To cap it off, Tom Harley was named as an ambassador for Swisse.

To think someone, somewhere thought that was newsworthy. Seriously, the world's gone mad.

There's a rumour doing the rounds that the Gabba is about to become Hyundai Stadium or something similar.

The Gabba name is part of sporting folklore and must be protected. Why sell your soul?

Seems we copy everything that happens over in the States.

At least they have the common sense still to call that "other" game "soccer".

 

[FFC Mariner]

LOL smell the fear.

Standard, ignorant Tardball ranting.

 

[midfielder]

Jesus

Good pick up ... link for anyone that wants it ... http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/get-your-hands-off-our-name/story-e6frf9if-1225846164142

But it does shown how much the Melbourne Media are in bed with the AFL... Many Melbourne media folk see it as kinda their duty to protect from other codes..

On the MV forum they have a thread called ... Smell the Fear... and it has a history over over 100 years of AFL media attacks on Football...

 

[midfielder]

Couple if responses from MV Forum


From Addicked

Not surprising. Its now a consistent trend. AFL first came out with all the anti world cup bid / staduims statements during 2010 world cup draw week. Then in A League Grand Final week they hold their AGM (first time this has ever got anymedia), their 2010 season launch, and the infamous "we're not playing second fiddle to Sokkah" statement.

Expect more of the same from Andy D and his media bum buddies on key world cup events such as naming of the squad, the farewell match against NZ, and the Cup itself.

Its all about sucking up the media space so that sokkah doesn't get a look in or is seen in a negative light.

Perhaps we can send Fev a couple slabs and a few complimentary passes to the Velvet Cigar to brew up some interesting AFL media events.

The media war is well and truly on, the question is does the FFA have the nous and resources to fight the good fight?

from Gweeds

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