Australia's bid for the 2018 or 2022 World Cup

[midfielder]

Kevin 747 at FIFA  ... from SBS

http://player.sbs.com.au/twg#/twg_08/AussieFocus/AussieFocus/playlist/FIFA-welcomes-Aussie-PM/

 

[midfielder]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Blatter backs US for the WC bid...

http://player.sbs.com.au/twg#/twg_08/GlobalGame/GlobalGame/playlist/Blatter-backs-US-Cup-bid/

 

[dibo]

he backs whichever bid is presently buying his 17 course banquets. don't get too excited. he'll be backing north korea's bid next week, rwanda's the week after, afghanistan the week after...

 

[midfielder]

Maybe But then ...... interesting article on the possible affects on the English Football fights ... I am not convinced a one off could effect the bid but a few .....

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,25988910-5019088,00.html

England's bid to host the 2018 football World Cup finals has been dealt a massive blow as the fallout continues from violent clashes between rival fans in London on Wednesday.

Several hundred West Ham United and Millwall fans clashed outside Upton Park before the Carling Cup tie between the two sides, throwing bottles and bricks and starting small fires as police moved in to try and stop the violence.

Australia is also aiming to host the World Cup in 2018 and hopes have been raised of a successful bid with the ugly scenes in east London likely to hamper England's chances.

Englands bid committee have been in damage control as footage of the riots is shown around the world.

A 2018 bid spokesman said: England 2018 shares the FA's stance in condemning the disorder surrounding last night's Carling Cup fixture between West Ham and Millwall.

The scenes from Upton Park were a regrettable but isolated example of a culture that the football community has worked tirelessly to eradicate from our game.

It is extremely disappointing that the mindless actions of a tiny minority have today deflected from the passion and dedication that millions of genuine fans show every week for our national game.

But Fox Sports football commentator Simon Hill says riots will not have too significant an impact of England's World Cup bid.

 

[midfielder]

Great Stuff ...... Football is selling ...


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/business/story/0,28124,26003219-7582,00.html

SBS makes $20m bonanza from World Cup



SBS is believed to have already attracted up to $20 million in advertising for its Football World Cup coverage next year -- the biggest single injection of advertising dollars in the network's 29-year history.

The network has managed to sell five of seven major broadcast partnerships almost a year out from the event, which will also be its biggest ever single broadcast event.

McDonald's, Optus, Nike, Sony, Kia and Hyundai have all signed deals with the network to have their brands promoted on SBS in the six-month lead-up to the tournament and during the World Cup itself. It is also the first success for SBS since it brought its advertising sales arm back in-house after a long partnership with ad sales company Stenmark.

SBS national sales director Mark Fairhurst said the decision to target companies that were already global sponsors with FIFA or aligned with the code in Australia had paid early dividends in a tough sponsorship market.

All three commercial TV networks have reported sharp downturns in advertising revenue this year.

"We went to FIFA and Football Federation Australia partners and gave them 10 weeks to decide on a package at a special partnership price," Mr Fairhurst said.

"We gave the presentations in May and we can now confirm five partners.

"We created a value proposition the partners would appreciate.

"We have (developed) a Road to the World Cup (program) and then the event itself and from January to June we will have the Road to the World Cup in association with all our football programs."

While Kia and Hyundai will be separate advertisers, they share a global parent and will also share a package.

Mr Fairhurst said the network was waiting until September 14 to confirm if any other targeted companies would take up the offer before taking any remaining packages to the broader market.

He said SBS had been helped significantly in its bid to secure sponsorship for the broadcasts by the Socceroos' early qualification for South Africa. In 2006 SBS was left scrambling for sponsors for its broadcasts after Australia's last-minute qualification to go to Germany.

"When we (Australia) qualified in 2006 we did not have time to build momentum," Mr Fairhurst said.

"Qualifying early has given us a full year to work on it."

With revenue now guaranteed to support the broadcast, SBS is now well under way with its World Cup coverage plans.

Head of sport Ken Shipp said the launch of SBS2 on the digital spectrum meant SBS would broadcast more than 650 hours of football programming during the month-long tournament, including 160 hours of live games. Every match would also be replayed and the network was looking at screening some matches online, allowing viewers to access them on demand.

"We are also looking at radio, with our stations broadcasting all the games live in the languages of the competing nations," Mr Shipp said.

 

[midfielder]

Hope this article is more ... we need to put something in the paper than truth.... essentially the article says that no State governments or the Commonwealth government has put up the cash or the guarantee to fund the stadiums ... Obie Wan is needed...

http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/football/funding-situation-clouds-nations-world-cup-bid/2009/09/16/1252780358786.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

AUSTRALIA'S World Cup bid is facing a funding problem that could see the audacious attempt to host sport's biggest event founder before the end of the year.

While Australia remains among the front-running bidders for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, building support as it makes its case, the issue of stadium facilities - long a potential weakness - must be resolved within weeks if the bid is to remain on track.

With a document detailing host stadiums for the event due to be submitted to FIFA by mid-December, state and federal governments - all enthusiastic public backers of the bid - continue to defer the question of who will fund the new stadiums and stadium refurbishments needed.

Hundreds of millions of dollars will be required to remake stadiums and build new facilities from scratch to meet FIFA's stringent requirements. Despite frenzied lobbying, none of the mooted projects has yet won funding commitments from state or federal governments as the December deadline approaches.

All bidding nations must submit a ''bid agreement'' on December 11, outlining plans for at least 12 venues that meet FIFA's criteria for a World Cup venue. With time required to compile those documents, the bid team need to have their list of venues finalised and have funding agreements in place by the end of November at the latest. The full bid is due to be submitted next May.

The FFA's official line is an optimistic one. ''We are on track to submit both the Bidding Agreement and the 'Bid Book' in time for their respective deadlines,'' FFA head of corporate affairs Bonita Mersiades said.

But the bid team is struggling to come up with 12 venues that each have a capacity of at least 40,000 and also meet requirements for corporate, media and broadcast facilities. The FFA remains hopeful that funding can be arranged but concerns are building that not much time is left.

If 12 venues cannot be secured by mid-December, Australia's bid will be effectively over.

The best case scenario now appears to mostly involve refurbishing existing stadiums - some of which are far from ideal homes for the round-ball game.

Melbourne's new rectangular stadium - expected to be a host venue - has been ruled out of the running because of a design bungle. Built with a capacity of 32,000, the new stadium was supposedly ''future-proofed'' so that the foundations could support an increase to 40,000 and make the facility FIFA compliant.

But while the foundations were strengthened, the distinctive bubble roof was not designed to be adaptable. Feasibility studies have now shown that increasing the crowd capacity would require the entire roof to be rebuilt, a process that would prove more costly than building a new stadium from scratch.

That leaves the MCG as a World Cup venue in Melbourne with the possibility of also using Etihad Stadium. But the Docklands venue is likely to be required by the AFL during the event period.

New rectangular stadiums would need to be built in Townsville and Canberra, while Newcastle's existing stadium would be upgraded, as would the Sydney Football Stadium and ANZ Stadium.

Other options are far from ideal and still awaiting funding commitment. On the Gold Coast, rectangular Skilled Park is too small and cannot be enlarged, meaning the AFL's new Carrara Stadium would be the venue used. Oval grounds would also be the best-case scenario in Adelaide and Perth, where redevelopments of the Adelaide Oval and Subiaco have emerged as the most likely venues to host World Cup matches but still require funding commitments from state or federal governments.

The bid team is believed to be hopeful that the federal government might step in and either help fund the stadiums or convince state governments to pour money in. But that outcome is yet to happen and time is running out.

A best-case scenario would see Prime Minister Kevin Rudd stepping in to negotiate a funding deal with the state Premiers. Rudd has been a high-profile backer of the World Cup bid, appearing in the television commercial made to launch it and visiting Switzerland to lobby FIFA president Sepp Blatter.

Hosting the World Cup is believed to cost about $2 billion but the economic return is said to be much higher. The Rudd Government has already committed $45.6 million to fund the bid process

 

[dibo]

can you put them in quote boxes? please?

 

[midfielder]

Sorta counters Dan Silkstone argument ... says BB is relaxed with the bid from the TerrOR


http://www.dailyTerrorgraph.com.au/sport/soccer/frank-lowys-world-cup-bid-gets-serious/story-e6frey4r-1225776108719


Dibo ..just for you but cannot see the diff!!!

Frank Lowy's World Cup bid gets serious

By Tom Smithies

SOCCER chiefs are about to embark on a charm offensive of the state governments to finalise their support for Frank Lowy's bid to host the World Cup in 2018 or 2022.

With the list of 12 required stadiums crystallising in recent days, Football Federation CEO Ben Buckley will brief the states on those that need revamping or replacing as Lowy's dream takes shape.

While the funding for those commitments is still to be determined, the stadiums do not have to be nominated until next May.

Only five stadiums are currently up to scratch - with a capacity of 40,000-plus - but the seven others have almost all been identified. Up to four would be in NSW, two in Melbourne and three in Queensland.

The new WA government's decision to drop plans for a new stadium in Perth  leaves just Subiaco Oval, while SA's government has been lukewarm about a new stadium ahead of the state election next year.

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Despite reports yesterday claiming Australia must detail the 12 stadiums it would use to host a World Cup by mid-December, FIFA's instructions to prospective bidders make clear they simply have to legally guarantee then that a bid will meet all FIFA's requirements.

It's a stage designed to weed out those nations not serious about a proper bid, and soccer chiefs already have an agreement signed by all the members of the Council of Australian Governments [COAG] pledging to back the bid.

Next May all bidders must submit a "bid book'' that is their blueprint for a World Cup, with a decision made on the hosts six months later for both 2018 and 2022.

Yesterday Buckley said there was plenty of time to agree the funding for stadiums, pointing to the FIFA timeline which stipulates the final choice of stadiums and infrastructure only has to be submitted in May.

"We've been working with governments for some time, and we're absolutely confident that we're on track to meet every timeline required as part of the bidding process,'' he said.

"We have a timeline to meet at the end of this year, which has been known to us and all relevant government agencies all year.

"Working out which level of government pays for what is a dialogue governments have with each other every day of the week - whether it be health, aged care, education, or stadium infrastructure. Importantly, no expenditure is required until we are successful.''

Sports Minister Kate Ellis denied reports that support for the bid was wanting at federal or state level, telling The Daily Terrorgraph: "The Australian Government is committed to putting forward the best possible World Cup bid.

"All governments agreed at the COAG meeting in March 2008 that they would work cooperatively with FFA to support the World Cup bid and this position has not changed.

"The Australian Government continues to work with FFA and states and territories in partnership to build the strongest bid possible.''

 

[Jesus]

4 possibles in NSW.

SFS, homebush, scummers.

So they are either thinking parra stadium or bluey for the 4th?

I think the states will fall into line, and the feds will probably throw in some cash.

Hell the point is that the world cup will make the country $4 billion profit, after paying for all the stadiums and transport upgrades etc.

The olympics came out even, just.

And smaller centres will be itching to host teams and push their tourism potential to hosts of immensly positive tourists who will struggle to go home and not say that it was one of the best experiences of their life.

 

[Jazzie]

4 possibles in NSW.

SFS, homebush, scummers.

So they are either thinking parra stadium or bluey for the 4th?

I think the states will fall into line, and the feds will probably throw in some cash.

Hell the point is that the world cup will make the country $4 billion profit, after paying for all the stadiums and transport upgrades etc.

The olympics came out even, just.

And smaller centres will be itching to host teams and push their tourism potential to hosts of immensly positive tourists who will struggle to go home and not say that it was one of the best experiences of their life.

Parra the more likely ... they would have to add another 30,000 seats to bluey ... don't think that is feasible.

 

[dibo]

Dibo ..just for you but cannot see the diff!!!

it makes it easier to see what's quoted and what's yours. with a quote box i can skip over the article and get to your unique analysis or vice versa. it's much easier to read, particularly if there are multiple things quoted and there's discussion in between.

 

[Jesus]

4 possibles in NSW.

SFS, homebush, scummers.

So they are either thinking parra stadium or bluey for the 4th?

I think the states will fall into line, and the feds will probably throw in some cash.

Hell the point is that the world cup will make the country $4 billion profit, after paying for all the stadiums and transport upgrades etc.

The olympics came out even, just.

And smaller centres will be itching to host teams and push their tourism potential to hosts of immensly positive tourists who will struggle to go home and not say that it was one of the best experiences of their life.

Parra the more likely ... they would have to add another 30,000 seats to bluey ... don't think that is feasible.

Assuming that parra counts as a seperate city?

I am pretty sure FIFA says no more than 2 per city.

Only has to be 40k too doesnt it?

 

[northernspirit]

The problem we have is the massive distances between cities, we will have most groups based on the eastern seaboard but W.A and S.A will need to host a group each too meaning more travel for teams based in those cities, probably a disadvantage depending on scheduling.

Im pretty sure the FFA would try to align most of the venues with A-League clubs so they benefit from the world cup after its come and gone (if we get it touch wood) with updated facilities, imo:

NSW/ACT:
1. Sydney Football Stadium - Sydney FC... Should be FIFA compliant
2. Telstra Stadium - New West Sydney team... Should be FIFA compliant (Host the opening game imo)
3. Energy Australia Stadium - Newcastle Jets... Major upgrade required
4. *DARE TO DREAM* Central Coast Mariners Stadium, Tuggerah - Central Coast Mariners (Would it become a white elephant after the w.c though? - even minimum 40k seater would be HUGE for us post w.c)
5. Canberra Stadium - Future Canberra A-League team.... significant upgrade required, similar to Olympic games where it had to be upgraded

VICTORIA:
6. Melbourne Rectangular Stadium - Melbourne Victory / Melbourne Heart... upgrade required, the things not even been built yet, they only allowed for capacity of 31,500 the idiots lol
7. M.C.G - Should be FIFA compliant (Used only to host the final imo, not a football stadium but a true modern day colluseum, also Berlin's stadium was oval for germany 06)

QLD:
8. Suncorp Stadium - Brisbane Roar... Should be FIFA compliant
9. Skilled Park - Gold Coast United... Significant upgrade required, only 27,400 capacity
10. Dairy Farmers Stadium - Nth Qld Fury... Major upgrade required, only 26,000 capacity however would be easier up upgrade than Skilled park

S.A:
11. Hindmarsh Stadium - Adelaide United... Major upgrade required, only 16,500 capacity - although doesnt look too hard to upgrade

W.A:
12. M.E Bank Stadium - Perth Glory... upgrade required, capacity 18,156 - maybe Subiaco is cheaper to upgrade but would be shite

 

[mariners4ever]

VICTORIA:
6. Melbourne Rectangular Stadium - Melbourne Victory / Melbourne Heart... upgrade required, the things not even been built yet, they only allowed for capacity of 31,500 the idiots lol
7. M.C.G - Should be FIFA compliant (Used only to host the final imo, not a football stadium but a true modern day colluseum, also Berlin's stadium was oval for germany 06)



S.A:
11. Hindmarsh Stadium - Adelaide United... Major upgrade required, only 16,500 capacity - although doesnt look too hard to upgrade

what about eithad stadium, surely good enough ???
and with SA, there was talks of upgrading aami stadium

 

[northernspirit]

what about eithad stadium, surely good enough ???
and with SA, there was talks of upgrading aami stadium

both ovals, imo we need to have as many rectangular venues as possible to compete with our bid rivals - true etihad would be good enough facilities wise yes

 

[midfielder]

The problem we have is the massive distances between cities, we will have most groups based on the eastern seaboard but W.A and S.A will need to host a group each too meaning more travel for teams based in those cities, probably a disadvantage depending on scheduling.

Im pretty sure the FFA would try to align most of the venues with A-League clubs so they benefit from the world cup after its come and gone (if we get it touch wood) with updated facilities, imo:

NSW/ACT:
1. Sydney Football Stadium - Sydney FC... Should be FIFA compliant --- Needs minor upgrading
2. Telstra Stadium - New West Sydney team... Should be FIFA compliant (Host the opening game imo) ... correct
3. Energy Australia Stadium - Newcastle Jets... Major upgrade required correct
4. *DARE TO DREAM* Central Coast Mariners Stadium, Tuggerah - Central Coast Mariners (Would it become a white elephant after the w.c though? - even minimum 40k seater would be HUGE for us post w.c) impossible to expand Bluetounge to required size
5. Canberra Stadium - Future Canberra A-League team.... significant upgrade required, similar to Olympic games where it had to be upgraded .. talk of a new stadium ....i.e. why ACT gov where so keen to get an A-League team
VICTORIA:
6. Melbourne Rectangular Stadium - Melbourne Victory / Melbourne Heart... upgrade required, the things not even been built yet, they only allowed for capacity of 31,500 the idiots lol ... problems with roof read smh article a little back cannot be expanded to meet size
7. M.C.G - Should be FIFA compliant (Used only to host the final imo, not a football stadium but a true modern day colluseum, also Berlin's stadium was oval for germany 06) still needs some work but need to negotiate with AFL as they have it booked..
QLD:
8. Suncorp Stadium - Brisbane Roar... Should be FIFA compliant ... is OK
9. Skilled Park - Gold Coast United... Significant upgrade required, only 27,400 capacity ... impossible to expand to required size...
10. Dairy Farmers Stadium - Nth Qld Fury... Major upgrade required, only 26,000 capacity however would be easier up upgrade than Skilled park ... correct
S.A:
11. Hindmarsh Stadium - Adelaide United... Major upgrade required, only 16,500 capacity - although doesnt look too hard to upgrade .... impossible to upgrade to required stabdard.
W.A:
12. M.E Bank Stadium - Perth Glory... upgrade required, capacity 18,156 - maybe Subiaco is cheaper to upgrade but would be shite ... WA gov refuse to upgrade want tp upgrade Subiaco which FFA has already said does not meet FIFA requirements BIG problem in the west..

 

[Arabmariner]

There was talk of 40,000 flat pack stadiums to be reduced in capacity after the world cup wasn't there ?

I can't see any way you could double Bluetongues capacity.

It would probably be cheaper to start from scratch at Tuggerah.

 

[northernspirit]

yeah my post actually said tuggerah not bluetongue MF
W.A is a worry though yes, if they miss out at least it reduces some of the travelling required

 

[midfielder]

ACT gov playing hard ball... also the Canberra Times article says 43, 000 ... I tho it was only 40, 000....

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/world-cup-stadium-scuttled/1628117.aspx

World Cup stadium scuttled
BY DAVID JEAN
20/09/2009 10:20:00 AM
A FAILED A-League bid will likely cost Canberra a hosting role in a future World Cup and scuttle plans for a grand upgrade of the Canberra Stadium precinct.

ACT sports minister Andrew Barr has conceded the Government won't be part of Australia's bid to host the World Cup finals in 2018 or 2022 unless Football Federation Australia grants Canberra an A-League licence.

With FFA rumoured to be close to awarding Western Sydney the competition's 12th franchise, Canberra's hopes of playing a part in a World Cup hosting bid now appear doomed.

Soccer's governing body FIFA has strict guidelines for stadiums hosting World Cup matches, including a requirement they fit a minimum of 43,000 fans. Canberra Stadium currently holds 25,000.

The Government detailed potential options in June for upgrading Canberra Stadium and Manuka Oval, with the grandest proposal involving twin stadiums in Bruce at a cost of $350million.

That project would have created a purpose-built rectangular stadium suitable for hosting World Cup matches standing next to a re-shaped Canberra Stadium.

While Mr Barr said the Government remained committed to upgrading the ACT's existing sporting facilities, delivering the most ambitious option would be contingent on either having an A-League team to make long-term use of the facilities, or a significant kick-in from the Federal Government.

Federal cabinet is expected to sign off on Commonwealth support for Australia's World Cup bid next month, but is unlikely to cover most of the costs associated with building a new stadium.

''If we're not going to have a team in the A-League and there isn't going to be a long-term legacy for football, then we'd have to question whether you'd spend the hundreds of millions of dollars that would go with being part of the World Cup bid,'' Mr Barr said. ''There are four different options for Canberra Stadium and three really involve upgrading the existing facilities, [but] all keeping the capacity between the 25,000 to 30,000 mark.

 

[pjennings]

There was talk of 40,000 flat pack stadiums to be reduced in capacity after the world cup wasn't there ?

I can't see any way you could double Bluetongues capacity.

It would probably be cheaper to start from scratch at Tuggerah.

The flat pack stadiums are supposed to be 25,000 expandable to 45,000.

I can only see MCG of the 'oval' grounds being allowed by FIFA. I also thought I saw a plan to drop the ground and provide extra seating around a more rectangular field for the MCG. 

The other problem with the oval grounds is the FIFA requirement for the hosting to leave a 'football legacy'.