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Australia vs. Uzbekistan, World Cup Qualifier, 1st April, 8pm kickoff

serious14

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From our friends at the Telegraph...... you can smell the fear all over this one:


http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25281988-5017479,00.html

PIM Verbeek sat at the top table, and delivered the line with a straight face. As in, seriously.

The Dutch range of emotion tends to oscillate between a blank stare and expressionless, so the distinction is necessary.

Verbeek was fronting a press conference the day before the Socceroos played Uzbekistan and the line of questioning was on the style in the Aussies' World Cup qualifying run. Whether "ugly'' football could keep the punters coming through gates.

"Well, football has been getting half a page on page six and a quarter of a page on page nine,'' Verbeek said. "You have a responsibility to promote the game, too.''

The jaws of some football press types dropped. Others nearly spilled their double espressos. All were a touch bemused.

Football Federation Australia made themselves few friends in the fourth estate with the latest Socceroos visit, and Verbeek's comments only kicked in more palings on a fence badly in need of mending.

Four years ago all was golden in the world of football. The public loved Harry, Timmy, Lucas and Schwarzie, and after a long battle for mainstream recognition, the stars and the FFA loved them right back.

For reasons best known to themselves, things have changed. Verbeek's comments were surprising, because the hacks felt they'd battled tooth and nail to get enough access to his team to fill even that quarter of a page.

Long-standing interview requests and photo shoots were turned down by the FFA. When the sort of picture that screams out "front page'' was organised by this paper - with Harry Kewell, Tim Cahill and Lucas Neill - one of the trio was a no-show.

Guess that no page one, then.

And when this newspaper finally landed an interview with Kewell as he hooked and sliced his way around a golf course, it wasn't the FFA pulling the strings - it was teed up through side channels and Kewell's manager.

Something as simple as training was even made problematic. Verbeek's camp only decided late at night when they'd trot around the next morning, making the logistics of media coverage just that little bit harder.

Across all the disgruntled media, the will to promote football and the Uzbekistan clash was there, but experienced journos say the enthusiasm felt one-sided. Follow this up with some airport scarpering yesterday that a Skase would be proud of, and it's a grim picture.

Naysayers might point to falling A-League crowds and say football has lost its shine, but the fact 60,000 turned up in the rain on Wednesday night proves the Socceroos are still hugely popular.

With their 2010 World Cup berth all but in the bag, there's little doubt the team will stay right up in the national affection. Does this mean the FFA can pull down the shutters? Absolutely not. This is where football must appreciate that fans want access, and ramp it up.

Open up for tonnes of news, profiles and information. Open up with players' opinions, shoe size and current ring tone. Turning these stars into protected species doesn't work - at least not in Australia, where administrators of four different "football'' codes battle for the pocket change of 20 million.

Heaven forbid football in Australia goes down the path of European competitions, where the only interviews done by the Beckhams and Ronaldos of the world come after a major sponsor pays them to do it. Oh, and a shameless plug of the sponsor is non-negotiable.

Verbeek bemoans the fact that football in Australia is not up to European standards yet. It might be good to keep it that way. Seriously.


Awwwwww, you didn't get your precious interview request, despite the fact you've spent a good 50 years hanging shit on the game at every single opportunity, only riding the bandwagon when it suits you.  F*ck off.

P.S.  Pim's comment to the journo's - gold.  I _love_ that he doesn't take shit and get sucked into the mire of Australian "journalism" like just about every other coach in this and the other codes..... Lawrie and Wayne Bennett are about the only other two I can think of who don't stand for the shit.
 

Arabmariner

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serious14 said:
Awwwwww, you didn't get your precious interview request, despite the fact you've spent a good 50 years hanging shit on the game at every single opportunity, only riding the bandwagon when it suits you.  F*ck off.
+1

Who the f**k is Iain Payten anyway?
 

serious14

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As far as I'm aware, a rugby (league or union, not sure) writer.  Tom Smithies, as much of a twat as he can be, at least knows _something_ about football.  Amazing how News Ltd. always rolls out the non football writers (Josh Massoud, this clown, Mike Gibson) for these cheap shot "articles".....
 

Arabmariner

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serious14 said:
As far as I'm aware, a rugby (league or union, not sure) writer.  Tom Smithies, as much of a twat as he can be, at least knows _something_ about football.  Amazing how News Ltd. always rolls out the non football writers (Josh Massoud, this clown, Mike Gibson) for these cheap shot "articles".....
And despite all that crap and the lack of media attention generally for years and years we can still draw close to 60,000 on a wet night.

No wonder the c**ts are in fear.
 

dibo

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i'd side with the media for just a moment here - if you want to sell your product to journos, you've got to give access.

the reason why AFL clubs will have stories in mid january about buddy franklin's niece's loose tooth is because they're constantly making their players and staff available. ditto for NRL clubs - they're always making their players available on the courthouse steps to say that they're so glad the army of paid character witnesses came out and said she was a complete whore or he'd have been gone for a stretch of 20 or so.

*if* (and i don't want to take it as read that this is the case) access is difficult to impossible, then you can't complain about a lack of coverage. you can't just put out press releases and hope.
 

serious14

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Or 20 000 in the arse end of the Earth (Canberra) to watch the HALaroos on a semi chilly Thursday night, or 35 000 to watch the Sydney FC-aroos a few years back at the SFS..... or 100 000 to a friendly at the G.

Mwahahahaha!!!!

Dibo - it's the nature of their whining that's grinding my gears this particular time.  Not only do they have a _non_ football writer doing the complaining, it's from a publication that is well known for it's anti football stance. 

Word is the three that were due to do the cover shoot were Cahill, Neill, and Kewell - apparently Harry was off playing golf or some such..... you know what, I'm _pretty_ sure that a front cover of Cahill and Neill would still sell.  Just throwin' it out there y'know??  They can't handle the fact that a game of 'sokkah' against "a country people know nothing about" (stock standard quote of the ignorant) on a rainy Wednesday night still managed to draw nearly 60 000, whereas a similar such scene barely 4 years ago (against the Solomons) didn't crack 15 000 if I remember correctly??  It's that ol' whiff of fear, and I for one love it.

P.S.  If there is that hint of difficulty - could you understand why??  If someone mercilessly hammered your lifestyle for 50 years then turned around and wanted to be your best mate the second you were successful..... wouldn't you have the inclination to tell them where to shove it??
 

Arabmariner

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There was a time when newspapers were just that.........they reported news.

If a game was on they'd report on it.Now who has stakes in who or what decides what gets reported on and how much space it gets in the paper.
 

serious14

Well-Known Member
Arabmariner said:
There was a time when newspapers were just that.........they reported news.

If a game was on they'd report on it.Now who has stakes in who or what decides what gets reported on and how much space it gets in the paper.

Whoa whoa whoa..... calm down with your ancient history lessons yeah??  :p
 

Arabmariner

Well-Known Member
serious14 said:
Arabmariner said:
There was a time when newspapers were just that.........they reported news.

If a game was on they'd report on it.Now who has stakes in who or what decides what gets reported on and how much space it gets in the paper.

Whoa whoa whoa..... calm down with your ancient history lessons yeah??  :p
They're not that ancient.................only last century  ;)
 

serious14

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Arabmariner said:
serious14 said:
Arabmariner said:
There was a time when newspapers were just that.........they reported news.

If a game was on they'd report on it.Now who has stakes in who or what decides what gets reported on and how much space it gets in the paper.

Whoa whoa whoa..... calm down with your ancient history lessons yeah??  :p
They're not that ancient.................only last century  ;)

Pre Y2K-bug mate, the world was a different place back then.
 

Jorome Alexander Bennett

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Open up with players' opinions, shoe size and current ring tone. ?????!!?!?!!?


Why are journalists semi-retarded?

        Not having Kewell in a photo doesn't prohibit the writing of a piece on possible tactics, Uzbeki form running in, effect of possibly over-cautious tactics on fan sentiment and attendance or any other worthwhile subject.

       

        I believe that in Australia we are let down in an integral part of the democratic process by our fourth estate. From the personally frustrating lack of reporting on Australian football to the more nationally important aspect of rulings on constitutional law, there is a huge lack of responsiblity from our media to report what is necessary, often only publishing what sells.
        I'm not sure how other nations combat this. Larger markets allow for high-brow and low-brow publications both finding markets. But in this restricted market that is dominated by a few companies what can be done to raise the level of responsible reporting? Complicated legislation? Reduction of monopoly? Both unlikely and so we probably must endure a democracy in which the fourth estate doesn't carry out its duties as required for this whole free nation thing to work as idealised.
 

Arabmariner

Well-Known Member
serious14 said:
Arabmariner said:
serious14 said:
Arabmariner said:
There was a time when newspapers were just that.........they reported news.

If a game was on they'd report on it.Now who has stakes in who or what decides what gets reported on and how much space it gets in the paper.

Whoa whoa whoa..... calm down with your ancient history lessons yeah??  :p
They're not that ancient.................only last century  ;)

Pre Y2K-bug mate, the world was a different place back then.
True.

Back then we had to go to the pub to have discussions like this.

:)
 

serious14

Well-Known Member
Jorome Alexander Bennett said:
Why are journalists semi-retarded?  Not having Kewell in a photo doesn't prohibit the writing of a piece on possible tactics, Uzbeki form running in, effect of possibly over-cautious tactics on fan sentiment and attendance or any other worthwhile subject.

+1.  Times a million.

Arab - 5.01pm, CCLC, see you there??  ;)
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
serious14 said:
Dibo - it's the nature of their whining that's grinding my gears this particular time.  Not only do they have a _non_ football writer doing the complaining, it's from a publication that is well known for it's anti football stance. 

Word is the three that were due to do the cover shoot were Cahill, Neill, and Kewell - apparently Harry was off playing golf or some such..... you know what, I'm _pretty_ sure that a front cover of Cahill and Neill would still sell.  Just throwin' it out there y'know??   They can't handle the fact that a game of 'sokkah' against "a country people know nothing about" (stock standard quote of the ignorant) on a rainy Wednesday night still managed to draw nearly 60 000, whereas a similar such scene barely 4 years ago (against the Solomons) didn't crack 15 000 if I remember correctly??  It's that ol' whiff of fear, and I for one love it.

P.S.  If there is that hint of difficulty - could you understand why??  If someone mercilessly hammered your lifestyle for 50 years then turned around and wanted to be your best mate the second you were successful..... wouldn't you have the inclination to tell them where to shove it??

i'm sick of the smell the fear thing. it's like we somehow think that decades of punishment entitle us to some sedan chair ride to the top and that all our success from here on is just deserts. i like getting self-righteous as much as the next guy but i also understand the line about cutting off your own nose.

we need to sell our product to media. the only reason we're doing better now is we're selling it better now. we're spending more on marketing and advertising, and we're performing better on the field. our success is pretty new and thin (read: while the socceroos are doing well we still have falling a-league crowd averages and two licences being handed back to the FFA). if we start trying to lord ourselves over the media we're going to be right where basketball is, or worse. without media we're back at NSL levels.

and btw - the publication with its 'well known anti-football stance' is the one that ran a weekly 8-page liftout on the game, is owned by the company whose magazines division prints the official league magazines and programs and whose tv operations include the FFA's partner broadcaster.

try not to get too self-righteous because reality bites.
 

serious14

Well-Known Member
Problem with that approach is that you start to let the media dictate how you operate your 'product' (I really hate that word, but it seems to be the one to use), and the before you know it you'e bending over backwards to accomodate vested interestsm and doing mates favours and all that rubbish.  The news outlets are there to, wait for it, report the NEWS.  They're already so far up their own arse at thinking they matter in forming peoples opinions, it's about time we reminded them what they're there for..... reading around the place (other forums, comments sections, speaking to not-so-football minded friends), this whole "Sack Pim" movement that has stemmed from the "zomg he's so boring" articles of late has some proper momentum amongst the ignorant behind it, and I don't like that one bit.  Some bogan rag that rides the bandwagon when it suits it should not have that sort of power.

Re: Football Fever - where was it when we were shit??  ;)
 

Arabmariner

Well-Known Member
serious14 said:
Jorome Alexander Bennett said:
Why are journalists semi-retarded?  Not having Kewell in a photo doesn't prohibit the writing of a piece on possible tactics, Uzbeki form running in, effect of possibly over-cautious tactics on fan sentiment and attendance or any other worthwhile subject.
Arab - 5.01pm, CCLC, see you there??  ;)

;D

Very tempting.

Now if the Mrs had taken the kids with her to Queensland this weekend.................
 

serious14

Well-Known Member
Arabmariner said:
serious14 said:
Jorome Alexander Bennett said:
Why are journalists semi-retarded?  Not having Kewell in a photo doesn't prohibit the writing of a piece on possible tactics, Uzbeki form running in, effect of possibly over-cautious tactics on fan sentiment and attendance or any other worthwhile subject.
Arab - 5.01pm, CCLC, see you there??  ;)

;D

Very tempting.

Now if the Mrs had taken the kids with her to Queensland this weekend.................

We'll teach them how to fill out a SportsTab form.  ;)
 

serious14

Well-Known Member
Ah, the Internet, always good for everything..... well in to Scooter from the Sydney forum:

josh_cross.jpg
 

Arabmariner

Well-Known Member
serious14 said:
Arabmariner said:
serious14 said:
Jorome Alexander Bennett said:
Why are journalists semi-retarded?  Not having Kewell in a photo doesn't prohibit the writing of a piece on possible tactics, Uzbeki form running in, effect of possibly over-cautious tactics on fan sentiment and attendance or any other worthwhile subject.
Arab - 5.01pm, CCLC, see you there??  ;)

;D

Very tempting.

Now if the Mrs had taken the kids with her to Queensland this weekend.................

We'll teach them how to fill out a SportsTab form.  ;)
LOL

Pick them up from school,go to CCLC,sit them in the corner with a lemonade and a plate of chips and sauce.Say "stay there I'll be back soon".................................... :p

At least they'd be fed.
 

serious14

Well-Known Member
Arabmariner said:
serious14 said:
Arabmariner said:
serious14 said:
Jorome Alexander Bennett said:
Why are journalists semi-retarded?  Not having Kewell in a photo doesn't prohibit the writing of a piece on possible tactics, Uzbeki form running in, effect of possibly over-cautious tactics on fan sentiment and attendance or any other worthwhile subject.
Arab - 5.01pm, CCLC, see you there??  ;)

;D

Very tempting.

Now if the Mrs had taken the kids with her to Queensland this weekend.................

We'll teach them how to fill out a SportsTab form.  ;)
LOL

Pick them up from school,go to CCLC,sit them in the corner with a lemonade and a plate of chips and sauce.Say "stay there I'll be back soon".................................... :p

At least they'd be fed.

Hey - if the missus comes home to find well nourished kids and a few extra thousand dollars in the bank...... never a bad thing, right??
 

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