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A Letter from the Chairman

Atomic

Well-Known Member
Rumors by their very nature tend to be bullshit. I think if we all appreciated that fact, then we'd find that life on the forum will be more tolerable.

Personally, i enjoy people posting rumors, even the negative ones. It gives us something to get excited or angry or depressed about. The roller coaster of emotions is all part of being a Mariners fan. Nothing's every simple or uncomplicated, but it makes every success even more sweet. I mean, how did you feel once Arnie re-signed? Was it sweeter knowing that all the doom-sayers were wrong? I think so.
 

Forum Phoenix

Well-Known Member
I agree and disagree with this. Turnbull has said a few times the COE is going ahead (backed up with evidence being the massive construction site at Tuggerah) and he has been in negotiations with investors. Some people have just been extremely impatient and pretty rude the last few months; making demands on the club for more information, claiming that things are falling down all over the place and anyone who suggests otherwise, including Turnbull himself, must be delusional or a liar.

I think we've been getting told all the information that has been available, within reason. Do people expect the club to publish a profit/loss for everyone to gawk over, or maybe a minutes/transcript of every conversation that happens with potential investors?

Making up rumours that the coach has signed with another team (all confirmed etc.) and the investors have walked isn't exactly helpful. All it does is spread fear and distrust amongst the fans, and when the renewals were made available a couple of months ago, the CCM Facebook page was flooded with comments from people saying they were not going to renew based on those rumours.

Anyway that's my rant on that subject, hopefully some more good news in coming weeks and we can start looking forward to the next season.

Agreed.

I actually think when Turnbull recently made his comments about, "why do people seem to want to see this club fail?" That peoples attitudes around the club have genuinely taken him by surprise.

Don't we all want the same thing?

But it's people. And the simplest most effective way to kill off such unproductive "in the know" rumours, is with a quick direct address or better yet, by anticipating and seeking to remove peoples objections/and likely fears before they even begin and certainly if they arise before they spiral too far. Not because it's owed or they must justify themselves. Again I agree wholeheartedly with you. But simply as it proves necessary, because frustrating as it maybe, when nothing is forthcoming, people if not "believe" certainly "fear the worst" and tend to proceed accordingly.

I honestly think you need to protect your fans from themselves. We're a fearful, emotional bunch at the best of times :))

So I think this kind of direct communication for the chairman. GA's messages etc are a huge step in the right direction.

Best

FP
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
FP

Everything is kinda connected ... its starts with some unpaid bills... then somehow the media write a story... and then its on for young and old ...

The difference is I can say this looks bad which I did... but I never said I had inside info ...

I think what ADZ was talking about was some posters [more than likely because they spoke to a middle manager or someone connected to the club] said things were going belly up... and they had spoken to those that know...

I have an opinion on most things and say it as I see it .... the only thing {and even then with some qualification} I say I am right and I have knowledge is Taxation...

I hope we come back together in a big group huge and say its great to be a Mariner fan... having said all this I hope the striker rumour is true...
 

bikinigirl

Well-Known Member
. i may as well throw my two-bobs worth in too (geez now i am showing my age) ... but i am not going to talk about the rumour-mongering as i think that has been covered

. what really disappointed me was the number of self-proclaimed 'hard-core' fans that were not willing to commit a couple of hundred bucks to an early membership drive ... with additional benefits by the way!

. this was done at a critical time (from all accounts) and as far as any of us know could have been PT testing the faithful. i have no idea how much the guy is worth but with his investment in the COE and the Mariners he could possibly lose everything he has ... yet some of the hard-core supporter base were not willing to back the club with a membership renewal

. as they say ... you see a person's true character (or true colours particularly in this case) when faced with adversity - there is something for you to ponder
 

adz

Moderator
Staff member
Adz that is a gross exaggeration of what actually went on.

People were very concerned about the future, with justification;

1) Arnie had not been paid his bonuses.
2) Players were being paid late
3) We got out of the woods by selling a couple of players
4) We were asked to renew our next seasons membership early to keep the cash flow going.
5) We kept getting rumors printed in the media that "The Russians are coming next week" which never happened without any comment from the club.
6) Arnie was talking to Sydney about breaking his contract.

FFS things were looking gruesome.
And as Scottmac said we are not necessarily out of the woods yet. We have had some local investors step forward to fund Arnie for the remainder of his contract,Lawrie for a year and a couple of players.

It is time to celebrate that we will survive another year but not to start talking about Josh Kennedy etc as our new strker.

Fair enough, but most of what I was referring to happened on Facebook rather than this forum. Luckily, we only seemed to cop some of the tail end of the PT hate campaign (on ccmfans).

I would only question points 1, 2, and half of 4.

1 and 2 were being pushed by the same people that were also adamant Arnie had already signed for Sydney. Yes, these things have been reported numerous times in the media, but where do they get their info from? It might be true, it might not.

Half of 4 being the reasons for asking us to renew early. I like that we were asked to renew early... maybe it could have waited until the end of the current season (as they do in other codes... I always hated it that our memberships were never on sale until a few weeks before the start of the season, whereas I could get membership for my other team almost straight after the Grand Final), but since they were packaging ACL tickets with membership that made things a bit harder.

3 can't be disputed by anyone.

5 is still up in the air - we can only go off what we've been told and there is a good explanation in the letter from the Chairman.

6 was true, Arnie was being chased pretty hard by Sydney but ultimately decided to stay.

I also agree with Scottmac that we are not necessarily out of the woods yet, but we can only wait and see what happens on that front. Basically what I'm saying is I won't believe anything until it comes directly from the club.


A fans forum is a place to discuss rumors, facts, hearsay, fears and hopes.

Do not try to rewrite history and do not attack those that post on the forum, it just may go the way of the earlier one.

This is a tad confusing. The forum has always been for discussion, but a discussion goes two ways. A discussion doesn't mean saying something and then trying to intimidate anyone who questions or disagrees with what was said. We're having one now. It doesn't mean we all have to agree and have a massive love-in, but everyone can have a say.

Not sure what that last sentence means. If you want to see people being attacked, have a quick browse through the SFCU forum. If you can find a page where nobody is swearing at each other or trying to outdo each other with yet another "amusing" long-winded, profanity filled attack, you win a prize!

*edit: I forgot to mention that since Facebook has become so big in the last few years, and it's easy for anyone to make a Facebook page, it's been interesting to see how they have been run. If you make a comment on a Facebook page that one of the page admins doesn't agree with, or doesn't like in any way, they just delete it. If they really don't like you, they will ban you. No discussions entered into whatsoever. This forum has never been like that - resulting in some epic arguments over the years - but it could easily go that way if things get out of hand again.
 

Ancient Mariner

Well-Known Member
"Fair enough, but most of what I was referring to happened on Facebook rather than this forum. Luckily, we only seemed to cop some of the tail end of the PT hate campaign (on ccmfans)."

Fair enough, I thought you were attacking those that posted on this forum rather than Facebook. I do not know about Facebook (too old for modern tech) but gather it has posts from many disgruntled fans who used to post here. Is that correct?


"I also agree with Scottmac that we are not necessarily out of the woods yet, but we can only wait and see what happens on that front. Basically what I'm saying is I won't believe anything until it comes directly from the club."

I will not believe it until then either, however I still want to discuss possibilities, rumors, and hopes here until that happens


"This is a tad confusing. The forum has always been for discussion, but a discussion goes two ways. A discussion doesn't mean saying something and then trying to intimidate anyone who questions or disagrees with what was said. We're having one now. It doesn't mean we all have to agree and have a massive love-in, but everyone can have a say.

Not sure what that last sentence means. If you want to see people being attacked, have a quick browse through the SFCU forum. If you can find a page where nobody is swearing at each other or trying to outdo each other with yet another "amusing" long-winded, profanity filled attack, you win a prize!"

Ok, again see first reply. I thought you were having a go at people who posted things (here, not on facebook) they heard and were trying to provide us with some information in the void of silence. Without mentioning names some of these people have proved very reliable with their information in the past and I would hate to miss their snippets of info in the future.

I do not want to see this forum being like Sydney's with the constant sniping at each other.
Originally, that was the main reason for my post.
 

Ancient Mariner

Well-Known Member
. what really disappointed me was the number of self-proclaimed 'hard-core' fans that were not willing to commit a couple of hundred bucks to an early membership drive

You are out by an order of magnitude

. this was done at a critical time (from all accounts) and as far as any of us know could have been PT testing the faithful.
We are talking of football not religion


i have no idea how much the guy is worth but with his investment in the COE and the Mariners he could possibly lose everything he has ...
I would be very surprised if he had that level of exposure

. as they say ... you see a person's true character (or true colours particularly in this case) when faced with adversity - there is something for you to ponder
Some like to think and consider a proposition first rather than blindly jumping in.
 

bikinigirl

Well-Known Member
. dearest ancient ... i can't quote you easily as you editted a quote, so i will just respond:

- how am i out by an order of magnitude? i said 'number', not all

- football is a religion, isn't it? the faithful is simply any group of loyal members ... are you confessing to not being a loyal member

- the COE is claimed to be worth $70mil + the money invested in the mariners less what the govt is kicking in ... do you know how much he is worth? if it is much more than this i would be surprised as to why we were selling players and not meeting wage bills

- you've had 7 years to think and consider whether you want to support the club or not ... if you had to re-consider for the sake of a couple of hundred bucks then my comment stands. this was actually a double sided comment which was meant to show the character of the owners, staff and management of the mariners compared to some of the comments discussed above

. is this the sort of discussion you were hoping for?

. btw, i would also like to agree that we are not out of the woods yet
 

Ancient Mariner

Well-Known Member
. dearest ancient ... i can't quote you easily as you editted a quote, so i will just respond:

- how am i out by an order of magnitude? i said 'number', not all

- football is a religion, isn't it? the faithful is simply any group of loyal members ... are you confessing to not being a loyal member

- the COE is claimed to be worth $70mil + the money invested in the mariners less what the govt is kicking in ... do you know how much he is worth? if it is much more than this i would be surprised as to why we were selling players and not meeting wage bills

- you've had 7 years to think and consider whether you want to support the club or not ... if you had to re-consider for the sake of a couple of hundred bucks then my comment stands. this was actually a double sided comment which was meant to show the character of the owners, staff and management of the mariners compared to some of the comments discussed above

. is this the sort of discussion you were hoping for?

. btw, i would also like to agree that we are not out of the woods yet

The order of magnitude referred to "a couple of hundred dollars" not the number of people.

As to football being a religion, it may be for some, but others have other interests in their lives. Also when you have had 2 clubs fold underneath you, you tend to be a little cautious about making any one club your sole religion.

The money to be spent for the COE would be raised by a company (or companies) not PT personally. He would not be risking all his assets in that company.
 

bikinigirl

Well-Known Member
The order of magnitude referred to "a couple of hundred dollars" not the number of people.

. i still don't understand the order of magnitude comment then ... as the commitment per person would be less than a couple of hundred dollars - not tens of dollars, not thousands of dollars. apparently its time for this pedant to get back under my rock

As to football being a religion, it may be for some, but others have other interests in their lives. Also when you have had 2 clubs fold underneath you, you tend to be a little cautious about making any one club your sole religion.

. ok i wasn't aware that all the self-proclaimed hard core fans that were not going to renew had two clubs fold under them. but you were the one that mentioned religion i merely said 'faithful' ... which does not limit me to a sole religion

The money to be spent for the COE would be raised by a company (or companies) not PT personally. He would not be risking all his assets in that company.

. i am sure that his business structures are far more complicated than many of us could understand for exactly this reason. if it makes you feel any better read my earlier comment as ... "some of the companies he owns could be wound up having wasted or owing tens of millions of dollars, i don't know how much he is worth but that is going to hurt"

. it would seem that you have taken my earlier comments and applied them to your personal circumstances which is fair enough. but they were general comments based on my recollection of 'people' (no-one in particular) practically withdrawing their support even if it was in the cautionary short term ... on the whole that rubbed me the wrong way
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
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Ancient Mariner

Well-Known Member
. i still don't understand the order of magnitude comment then ... as the commitment per person would be less than a couple of hundred dollars - not tens of dollars, not thousands of dollars. apparently its time for this pedant to get back under my rock



. ok i wasn't aware that all the self-proclaimed hard core fans that were not going to renew had two clubs fold under them. but you were the one that mentioned religion i merely said 'faithful' ... which does not limit me to a sole religion



. i am sure that his business structures are far more complicated than many of us could understand for exactly this reason. if it makes you feel any better read my earlier comment as ... "some of the companies he owns could be wound up having wasted or owing tens of millions of dollars, i don't know how much he is worth but that is going to hurt"

. it would seem that you have taken my earlier comments and applied them to your personal circumstances which is fair enough. but they were general comments based on my recollection of 'people' (no-one in particular) practically withdrawing their support even if it was in the cautionary short term ... on the whole that rubbed me the wrong way

Yes they are my personal circumstances.
Buy a family's worth of platinum seats, no concessions, over $1k.
Yes, I did post caution when the offer came out. I found it extremely worrying. I had seen similar writing on the wall.
But yes after a good night's sleep on it I decided to purchase the family's platinum once again and posted that I had here.

It rubs me the wrong way that those who posted on this forum in good faith are being attacked and referred to as "practically withdrawing their support". I know some of these people personally and they bleed yellow and blue, have been involved since before day 1 and are probably the most rusted on supporters the club could hope for (I include myself in this category).

If, like Adz you are talking about Facebook posts I have no problem. I know nothing of Facebook. If that is the case I apologise for being sensitive and taking it personally.
 

bikinigirl

Well-Known Member
. not necessarily talking about facebook posts ... but they may have been repeated on here

. the thing is ... i don't don't know these people personally so i can only go on what they post ... and the consequences of that. if they say they will not be renewing their membership - then to me, they are withdrawing support ... especially when (they practically admit) the club needs it most. so take offence as much as you like, that is the way it appeared to me - if you had a sudden about-face then good for you, good for the club, good for us ... but i was not talking about one isolated post/instance

. one other thing you should consider ... i think there are a lot of 'fans' that read these posts and don't comment themselves. how do you suppose it effects their thinking and commitment when they read posts where self-proclaimed hard core fans are 'withdrawing' their support. it is these sort of consequences that worry me

. of course you are entitled to your view ... you know mine. i will try and shut up now
 

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