17/18 Other A-League Games

[Big Al]

Victory just got handed 3 pts by FFA stooges. Victory player controls the ball with both hands then punts it long to a possibly offside Barbarouses who finishes well. StoogeTEL don't even discuss either point until the Blatant handball is replayed 5 mins later out of the blue. Slater says...."he didn't handball it deliberately" and leaves it at that. Simon Hill is silent.
Foxtel coverage just gets worse and worse. The likely offside is not even shown.

Grill Kenny Lowe about loosing and being under pressure and nothing to golden Johnny

 

[Big Al]

Brisbane starting to look better and getting players back and fitness up

 

[Big Al]

As i say that glory score

 

[TedShot]

As i say that glory score

Turning out to be a surprisingly entertaining game, two leaky teams just kicking it around.

Also glad to see khalfallah won’t be playing against us next week.

 

[Big Al]

The new midfielder for Nix looks alright two goals in two games. Nix coming for us unfortunately.

Jets also showing signs they can’t keep this early season form. We really should have beat them.

 

[MagpieMariner]

Well after City flogging AU, I think our performance against them looks a lot better than it did at the time.

 

[Big Al]

Well after City flogging AU, I think our performance against them looks a lot better than it did at the time.

They looked good yesterday and AU are a good team.

What happened to the kid from City i came back to the tv and he was sucking the green whistle with everything he had and they didn’t replay it

 

[Wombat]

Kenny must be close to getting the bullet.
aloisi is clueless....so any extra weeks he gets is a bonus for the rest of us

 

[pjennings]

They looked good yesterday and AU are a good team.

What happened to the kid from City i came back to the tv and he was sucking the green whistle with everything he had and they didn’t replay it

Went for a header and came down and twisted his ankle. Suspected fibula fracture. Confirmed tonight that there is no break but extensive ligament damage - 6 -12 months out.

 

[Big Al]

Went for a header and came down and twisted his ankle. Suspected fibula fracture. Conformed tonight that there is no break but extensive ligament damage - 6 -12 months out.

Poor kid was playing really well and career taking off. Thanks for the reply

 

[Forum Phoenix]

Ah shit it was Atkinson. Kid destroyed Rose in our first game and has impressed me no end. What a shame.

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

Bobo takes a dive. Gets a pen an a MV player gets sent. Adrian, already on a yellow, flying elbow to the head, should be a straight red but gets nothing.
Amazing how that benefited Sydney only.

 

[Big Al]

Bobo takes a dive. Gets a pen an a MV player gets sent. Adrian, already on a yellow, flying elbow to the head, should be a straight red but gets nothing.
Amazing how that benefited Sydney only.

Just don’t tell Slater. One eyed Arnie supporter

 

[Big Al]

Bobo takes a dive. Gets a pen an a MV player gets sent. Adrian, already on a yellow, flying elbow to the head, should be a straight red but gets nothing.
Amazing how that benefited Sydney only.

He didn’t miss with that elbow but slater says it wasn’t a swinging elbow. Like that matters. It’s yellow every day of the week and the back angle you’d say red.

Ironically the yellow cards were 5-3 against Sydney but it’s the big decisions like Adrian where they are still protected.

Okon even mentioned last week the refs are now giving yellows to Sydney to even up those stats that everyone is talking about.
However two yellows for a Sydney player is still hard to do

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

I know it's a week old, but here's a clear squirrel grip in the NIX-NJ match - https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/football/a-league/jet-cops-hectic-nut-clutch!661185

I can understand the ref and AR missing it. 4th probably should have seen it, but fine. VAR should have picked up on it of course - but nothing from the MRP???

 

[Big Al]

I know it's a week old, but here's a clear squirrel grip in the NIX-NJ match - https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/football/a-league/jet-cops-hectic-nut-clutch!661185

I can understand the ref and AR missing it. 4th probably should have seen it, but fine. VAR should have picked up on it of course - but nothing from the MRP???

MRP basically redundant now with VAR. Look at the Bobo excuse for that shin rake.
MRP just dish out the sentences now basically

 

[Forum Phoenix]

It boggles how something that should so clearly be able to reduce human error and thereby by any reasonable measure be a good thing, has instead been introduced in a way that it only empowers the scope and impact of human error instead. And so currently, is clearly a bad thing. Utterly depressing.

 

[Big Al]

It boggles how something that should so clearly be able to reduce human error and thereby by any reasonable measure be a good thing, had instead been introduced in a way that it only empowers the scope and impact of human error instead. And so currently, is clearly a bad thing. Utterly depressing.

Also it’s half baked technology. The offsides, the camera is not in line with the play. It’s from an angle that then uses mathematics to estimate the offside line. Sometimes it’s obvious from the grass cutting but it’s not 100%.
Linesmen have the worst job. Trying to pick when the run starts and the ball is kicked when they are so far apart is very difficult.

I like the idea of the linesmen just letting close ones go and if it’s a goal the VAR should bring justice.

The problem is we are just trying to re referee the game at the same time

It’s like when you are at work and have a job to do and that person who rubs you the wrong way starts trying to do it to prove themselves. It just annoys you and the job gets a half arsed result because you didn’t have full control

 

[Capn Gus Bloodbeard]

The biggest problem I find with offside

Also it’s half baked technology. The offsides, the camera is not in line with the play. It’s from an angle that then uses mathematics to estimate the offside line. Sometimes it’s obvious from the grass cutting but it’s not 100%.
Linesmen have the worst job. Trying to pick when the run starts and the ball is kicked when they are so far apart is very difficult.

I like the idea of the linesmen just letting close ones go and if it’s a goal the VAR should bring justice.

The problem is we are just trying to re referee the game at the same time

It’s like when you are at work and have a job to do and that person who rubs you the wrong way starts trying to do it to prove themselves. It just annoys you and the job gets a half arsed result because you didn’t have full control

The biggest problem I find with offside isn't even what you highlighted. It's:-

1) Resolution. If there are a couple of inches in it, you simply can't tell from that camera angle with that resolution. Yes, often you CAN tell to that level of precision as an AR

2) The camera and digital line don't cope at all when you're trying to compare the torse of a striker leaning forwards against the feet of a defender. It's only handy for comparing feet - to - feet.

I do disagree with your conclusion about when it should be used. Bear in mind that a missed offside can still have a match changing impact even without leading directly to a goal. It can lead to a penalty. Or a corner that leads to a goal. Striker who is through is fouled and the defender is booked or sent off. Even if the ball goes out and there's a sustained attack that lasts for several phases. It still matters to get it right the first time.

Not going to be 100%, but it's a preferable solution to 'let the close ones go'.
Given the don't flag unless they're certain, then it also raises the question - precisely what do you think they should 'not' flag for? Are you saying the AR should stand there and think 'well, I'm 100% certain he's off, but I think he might be off by less than 6 inches, so I'll keep it down. Actually, maybe it is more than 6 inches, yeah, I'll pull him up'? I don't think your solution of 'don't flag the close ones' is as simple as you may think

VAR should be there when you truly can't tell or stuff it up completely. It shouldn't be taken into consideration when you're making the decision, IMO.

 

[Big Al]

The biggest problem I find with offside


The biggest problem I find with offside isn't even what you highlighted. It's:-

1) Resolution. If there are a couple of inches in it, you simply can't tell from that camera angle with that resolution. Yes, often you CAN tell to that level of precision as an AR

2) The camera and digital line don't cope at all when you're trying to compare the torse of a striker leaning forwards against the feet of a defender. It's only handy for comparing feet - to - feet.

I do disagree with your conclusion about when it should be used. Bear in mind that a missed offside can still have a match changing impact even without leading directly to a goal. It can lead to a penalty. Or a corner that leads to a goal. Striker who is through is fouled and the defender is booked or sent off. Even if the ball goes out and there's a sustained attack that lasts for several phases. It still matters to get it right the first time.

Not going to be 100%, but it's a preferable solution to 'let the close ones go'.
Given the don't flag unless they're certain, then it also raises the question - precisely what do you think they should 'not' flag for? Are you saying the AR should stand there and think 'well, I'm 100% certain he's off, but I think he might be off by less than 6 inches, so I'll keep it down. Actually, maybe it is more than 6 inches, yeah, I'll pull him up'? I don't think your solution of 'don't flag the close ones' is as simple as you may think

VAR should be there when you truly can't tell or stuff it up completely. It shouldn't be taken into consideration when you're making the decision, IMO.

I know we’ve disagreed on this before and yes you are right in can effect the play after, but I’m happy with that. To often AR’s are to strict an get shown up by the technology.
I’d prefer less than more.

In a goal situation the AR can use his microphone to say look i let that go as it was close as the play is being conducted. Then if it leads to a goal. The ref can rule it out after it goes in. Saying offside but VAR have a look. If AR was clearly wrong it’s a goal. If to close go with the AR’s original thought of offside.
Football needs to be more free flowing here IMO. I hate the constant offsides and yes that’s the players fault and they make it hard for AR’s.

As for how far. I want the player to be his whole body clear before flagging. Not half an arm or a leg etc