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simon and mcbreen

the J Man

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well matty and mc keep getting bagged for not being didier drogba.
but i keep seeing a side that keeps running them ragged in midfield
is 5 minutes ahead in defense
and two guys at the front that are so hard they keep breaking 4 man backlines
so would you sell the glinch for brosque,,,no
would you sell arami for fowler ,,well umm F'NO
boz for offside archie .not gunna happen

i think both these guys are getting slowly better, technically. but just keep wrecking havoc
i think our side is best severed with a 4,4,2 and these guys up front
 

cbowden9000

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As much as that is true, the simple fact is that when our defenders have a shot on goal 75% of the time they score. When our strikers have 10 shots in a game and none of them score, it all becomes relative.

I love Matty and BigMac but they really are too similar as people have spoken about before. We need a pacey striker next to either one with the other to come off the bench.

Someone like Jeffers would be great for us.
 

scottmac

Suspended
McBreens touch was v.poor tonight. Matty outshone him quite significantly. In fact I would go even further and say that Matty's first touch, vision and passing was 2 levels above anything I have seen him produce before. I reckon the visit of the trialist may have spured Matty on.
 

timmers

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McBreens touch was v.poor tonight. Matty outshone him quite significantly. In fact I would go even further and say that Matty's first touch, vision and passing was 2 levels above anything I have seen him produce before. I reckon the visit of the trialist may have spured Matty on.

There could be something in that, I thought Matty played really well against the Fury as well, he seems to be the sort of guy that thrives on competition. He was so good when he broke into the team because he had Macallister/Petrovski/Mrdja infront of him (in terms of the pecking order) and that drove him to prove to Lawrie that he deserved a spot. Last year, he was our best striker and he knew it, I don't think he handled that too well. I'm not saying he was complacent because that certainly isn't Matt, but I don't think the drive to better himself was there.
 

Wombat

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I thought McBreen outshone Matty (and out worked him) in the first half but i'd give the honours to Matty in the second half.

I'd keep them both but would love a fast nippy stiker to complement the battering ram style they both employ.

Thought they were both excellent last night.
 

Forum Phoenix

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They are a handful and no mistake. Opposition back lines do not look forward to the battle.
But unfortunately teams like Roar, who handled them with disturbing ease, still highlight our need for a third fast, dribble king, striker imo.
 

scottmac

Suspended
They are a handful and no mistake. Opposition back lines do not look forward to the battle.
But unfortunately teams like Roar, who handled them with disturbing ease, still highlight our need for a third fast, dribble king, striker imo.


We need a striker whos first touch doesn't look like a basketball hitting the ring from halfway ala McBreen on Saturday.
 

Muppet

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I really do hope that we bring in some new forwards next season. McBreen, Mrdja and Kwasnik have to go. I don't rate Matt that highly either but I can't fault his work ethic. I think that if we had a creative foil to Matt's bull at a gate approach that his play would improve in leaps and bounds.
 

Bladesman

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I have to say I am no Kwasnick fan (having previously described him as having a footballing brain worse than an under 8)but with the way GA has the team sset up Kwasnick actually looks pretty dangerous up front. Having the ball played into his feet is allowing him to run at defenders and he actually makes them look pretty uncomfortable and he is creating chances. Although I think Perez with McBreen or Simon would be the best combo it would be good to see Kwasnick get a start as it would at least give us something different.

Having said all that you can't argue with the results we are getting with the McBreen/Simon combination up front.
 

scottmac

Suspended
Unbelievable - 3 wins, 9 goals to zero, and some people aren't satisfied!

How many of those goals came from our recognised strikers?

Answer = 1 (if you count Kwasnik then 3 and even then 1 of those was an assist from Wilko playing RB)

5 came from our defensive players. A time will come when our defenders will stop scoring. We need another striker.
 

bikinigirl

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Unbelievable - 3 wins, 9 goals to zero, and some people aren't satisfied!

. i don't think people are unsatisfied with the results ... moreso what they may have been if the strikers scored more often - how many of those nine were scored by simon and mcbreen?

. but a valid point was raised that perhaps it is their play which has allowed the TEAM to perform as it has. take either or both out of the equation and perhaps our midfield starts to struggle or the opportunities don't arise for the back 5 to get forward and score
 

Forum Phoenix

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Grahamh, I do understand your sentiment, especially as with football supporters there does tend to be negativity always lurking just around the corner, and I think it's ludicrous to be negative about your team when they are doing well, and even mostly when they're not.

But this is not about being "unsatisfied" it is simply suggesting a very valid way to improve and that does not mean you have to be also ungrateful or negative, you can certainly be positive and enjoying yourself while still looking at ways to improve. They're not mutually exclusive. All coaches must do this. And all us wannabe fan coaches, well, its how we pass our spare time isn't it.

My personal opinion is that we could be performing better upfront still, and that having a less samish pairing upfront, would likely lead to us being more effective in front of goals. I also think the big man strike partner would benefit as well as it certainly suggests itself as one of the possible reasons why both Simon and McBreen have not been prolific in front of goals while playing within a side that is winning most of it's games.

More importantly, as I agree that as long as your still winning it's all ok of course anyway, but I think this is probably required to beat a team like roar this year. Who unfortunately completely owned our attacking play - I think we had only two shots in 90 minutes? I could certainly be wrong, and that's fine, but that's my thoughts on the matter. The best way to be wrong is if McBreen and or Simon started scoring consistently. But at the moment every other team in the league has one - or most of them two strikers - who have outscored our own. Matty's our highest at 21st place in the HAL. It's not personal, but they do need to contribute more in this department I think.

And for the record though, GA has talked about our form in front of goals. It's hardly a secret that our starting strikers have struggled in this regard, while our midfield and back line have been exceptional. Our forwards work very hard, they are a real handful, and I'm happy with their endeavour as I'm sure all are. But as their key function is and always will be to score goals, I'm also sure especially they are aware of theirpersonal stats and must be very keen to be providing more of a pointy end. Which is the entire point of this discussion, because if they do, then we could truly win the double this year.

But if they can't, as Scottmac said, it seems pretty unlikely that we will keep getting winning goals and braces from our backline. So without another strike combination available... you'd think we'll make the six, play some good football and provide entertainment, but there will be no silverware or ACL spot.

In the mean time, while discussing ways to improve, be sure I am also revelling in the heady perfume of our wonderful performances.
<_<
 

Jerem

Well-Known Member
im not too fussed about them not doing too much damage at the back fo the net, as others are clearly capable of doing it
so long Aas they keep causeing trouble for the opposing defence. it seems simon is the poacher mcbreen usually is the striker finisher of the two, as for kwasaldino, no thanks, he may have scored a couple but id like to see some regeneration up front (on the bench two, sugguest perhaps: mcglinchey with his current attacking dribbling form to the front and slot lewis in or ibni isei! in midfield something like that anyhow
 

cbowden9000

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If we changed to the 4-1-4-1 that Andy Harper suggested then that would allow either Amini or Perez to get a little more forward and I'd rather have one of them taking shots for us. More so Perez, but Amini has had some great shots, unlike our McBreen for example who's "shot" turned out to be a cross assist for Kwasnik...
 

Muppet

Well-Known Member
im not too fussed about them not doing too much damage at the back fo the net, as others are clearly capable of doing it
so long Aas they keep causeing trouble for the opposing defence. it seems simon is the poacher mcbreen usually is the striker finisher of the two, as for kwasaldino, no thanks, he may have scored a couple but id like to see some regeneration up front (on the bench two, sugguest perhaps: mcglinchey with his current attacking dribbling form to the front and slot lewis in or ibni isei! in midfield something like that anyhow

Not a bad idea really, though I would slot Amini into his midfield position. As I said earlier Matt needs a twinkle toes playing around him to be effective.
 

Forum Phoenix

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If we changed to the 4-1-4-1 that Andy Harper suggested then that would allow either Amini or Perez to get a little more forward and I'd rather have one of them taking shots for us. More so Perez, but Amini has had some great shots, unlike our McBreen for example who's "shot" turned out to be a cross assist for Kwasnik...

Pfft...I suggested this weeks before Harper.
:mad:
 

MagpieMariner

Well-Known Member
If we didn't have the two big bozos making nuisances of themselves in the box, would Griff (against Perth) or Josh last Saturday have had as much room as they did?
It seemed to me you could almost call a goal assist for the strikers for pulling the defence away from the other guys.
Just as a matter of interest, only 4 of last week's starters (5 counting Matty Ryan) have not yet scored - WeeMac, Bozza, Pedj & Musti. Add to that only Doig from the splinter.
Spreading the scoring over such a wide area may be a good thing for us - the defenders may find it necessary to spread their attention and therefore give our strikers more room & time. Just a thought.
 

the J Man

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i expected as much .but like i said. if mcbreen irons out mascat again like he did in the first round .
boz and matty bag some. you'll still be bagging mcbreen while murdocca gets over his broken arm.

and something to listen to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8viCtA4AQM
 

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