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midfielder

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Throughts on the release of the cost ....

They seem to be a bit steep ...

SMH article today gives the prices for the new NBB... http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/prices-for-superfast-broadband-up-to-190-a-month-20110721-1hqzw.html

They range in price from $ 60.00 for 30 GB's at slow speed up to $ 190.00 for 1 TB at fast speed...

I am with Optus and we get free calls on our land line for mobiles & SDT, free mobile Optus to Optus... and cable speed net for the first 200 GB's per month after 200 GB's it goes to phone speed [and yes in the Midfielder Household we are on phone speed each month].. The cost I think $ 130.00 per month...

I am not to sure if the above prices from the smh article include phone usage.

Tho's .............
 

kevrenor

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Throughts on the release of the cost ....

They seem to be a bit steep ...

SMH article today gives the prices for the new NBB... http://www.smh.com.a...0721-1hqzw.html

They range in price from $ 60.00 for 30 GB's at slow speed up to $ 190.00 for 1 TB at fast speed...

I am with Optus and we get free calls on our land line for mobiles & SDT, free mobile Optus to Optus... and cable speed net for the first 200 GB's per month after 200 GB's it goes to phone speed [and yes in the Midfielder Household we are on phone speed each month].. The cost I think $ 130.00 per month...

I am not to sure if the above prices from the smh article include phone usage.

Tho's .............

Half truths usual media beatup - which I am sure they will repeat every time pricing comes out.

One small company that does not seem to offer broadband at present on the Central Coast - Internode (http://www.internode.on.net/)

They appear to include phone access.

I'll reserve my judgement until Optus bring out theirs against my current cable deal. We could do wil more speed on the line and bigger pipe into our wireless router
 

midfielder

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Interesting article in that the NB is about having fixed units using cable connections... I remember some people saying what google have just released below...

Not too sure where and how or if it is important ... essentially we are moving to phone and mobile tablets ....

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/australias-white-hot-smartphone-revolution-20110908-1jz3k.html

Australia's white hot smartphone revolution
Asher Moses
September 8, 2011 - 2:16PM
Comments 17

Australians are leading the smartphone revolution, using their handsets for social networking, shopping and searching.
Australia went from lagging to leading the worldwide smartphone revolution in just one year, a major study by Google has revealed.

But about four out of five Australian websites are not optimised for smartphones.

Mobile internet usage by Australians now rivals that of PCs for activities like social networking and, soon, shopping, Google found.

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Behind Singapore, Australia has the highest smartphone penetration in the world at 37 per cent and we're also consuming more apps, the research revealed. Australians have on average 25 apps on their phone (eight of which are paid), versus 23 for the US and Britain.



Google teamed up with IPSOS Research to interview 30,000 people in 30 countries about how they use their smartphones. A total of 2000 Australians were included.

Australians are increasingly buying stuff via their mobiles with almost a quarter of us having done so in the past. Even with the lack of mobile support from Australian businesses, PayPal Australia reports that throughout 2010 mobile transactions increased by 25 per cent every month.

"The rise of smartphones is dramatically increasing the use of the internet overall in Australia and ... we're seeing mobile usage and smartphone usage starting to approach or even match PC usage," said Ryan Hayward, Google's mobile product marketing manager for the Asia-Pacific region.

Australians are 33 per cent more likely than those in the US and Britain to do mobile real estate searches and we're also leading the way in mobile banking, with Australians 65 per cent more likely than the British and 14 per cent more likely than Americans to conduct banking on our phones.

Hayward believes mobile internet usage could soon eclipse PC internet usage as 36 per cent of respondents said they expected to use the web more on the smartphone in the future compared to 28 per cent for the PC.

"We found that with Google Maps, which is one of our marquee products, usage on the mobile phone has already exceeded the desktop globally," he said.

"The smartphone is not a toy, it's extremely fundamental and Google is adjusting to it very quickly."

Hayward said social networking was one category where the gap between mobile and PC usage had closed the most. Sharing of photos and other updates using our phones is now virtually equal to the level of sharing we do from our PCs.

Searches are one of the most popular uses of the mobile internet. Two in five Australians search on their smartphones daily as opposed to three in five on their PC.

Australians are also using their smartphones to find local businesses and a third of Australian smartphone users have made a web-based purchased after conducting a local search.

PayPal Australia said its own experience also showed that Australians were increasingly buying things using their smartphones. Throughout 2010 mobile transactions for PayPal in Australia increased by 25 per cent month on month.

"More than 10 per cent of PayPal Australia's four million active account holders have transacted on mobile," said PayPal spokesman Adrian Christie.

"In the last six months over 2000 Australian online merchants have accepted their first mobile payment with PayPal."

Recent figures from Nielsen put the total volume for the Australian mobile payments market for 2010 at $155 million.

But Google's research found that in addition to buying things with our phones we're also using them to compare prices of products before buying and one in five of us have changed our mind about buying something while inside the store.

The rise of smartphones in Australia is a relatively new phenomenon. The research found that four out of five respondents who had a smartphone said it was their first one and one in three bought their smarpthone in the last six months.

"These numbers show that Australia went from lagging to leading the worldwide smartphone revolution in just one year," Google said.

The growth in mobile internet use is being driven by the iPhone with Apple the smartphone brand used by 46 per cent of respondents, followed by Nokia (19 per cent), Samsung (nine per cent) and HTC (nine per cent).

Hayward said it made sense for Singapore to have a higher smartphone penetration than Australia but some may consider us the true number one.

"Singapore is quite small, it's less than 10 million people, it's a city state, there's a tonne of expats," he said.

Hayward described the study as the first of its kind worldwide ("it's the most countries and the most people with the same questions"), and Google plans to release the full report for free in a month on a website called "our mobile planet".



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/australias-white-hot-smartphone-revolution-20110908-1jz3k.html#ixzz1XMLy9U9R
 

kevrenor

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A friend in Singapore was surprised by this - he has been away from Australia for a couple of years. He also wondered how we could afford it at our carriers exorbitant rates and slow speeds.

What it doesn't tell us is what proportion of use it through the internet phone system and what proportion the wireless routers off internet.

90% of my mobile phone internet useage is not via the phone system - if would cost me an arm and a leg to Telstra if I did. I also use my prepaid internet modem when travelling on my netbook in preference to my phone.
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
On the same theme of Australia moving towards wireless rather than a fixed PC connection...

Voice wars: Apple v Google v Microsoft Asher Moses
October 27, 2011 - 2:16PM
Comments 24
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Google says it's been doing voice search for years.

Voice is the new black when it comes to interacting with our gadgets - and Google and Microsoft aren't about to let Apple's Siri personal assistant hog all the limelight.

Yesterday, Microsoft switched on for Australians voice command capabilities for Kinect on the Xbox 360, allowing users to control games and, from mid-December, the games console itself, just by speaking.

Today, Google Australia released several videos to demonstrate its own voice search for Android, conducting voice searches in the middle of the desert and even underwater.

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Australians can access voice search but Voice Actions, pictured above, are US only.

While he refused to even mention Siri by name, Mike Cohen, who leads Google's speech recognition efforts, said that Google has for years offered many of the voice features offered by Apple's smart voice recognition engine.

In fact, Google said it had seen voice inputs grow sixfold in the past year and every day the company received more than two years of non-stop speech input.

"We released voice search [for Android] three years ago and we released voice actions a year and a half ago," said Cohen in an interview with Fairfax Media from Google's headquarters in the US.


Apple's Siri personal assistant is one of the most talked about features on the iPhone 4S. Photo: Getty Images

"I've been talking about it [voice interaction] for twenty years."

Android voice slightly hobbled in Australia

The only problem is, the best voice features for Android haven't launched in Australia. While Australians have access to voice search - and a microphone icon built into Android's keyboard that can be used to enter text by voice rather than typing (even in third party apps) - voice actions is currently US-only.


Iris, the third-party Siri clone for Android.
Voice actions lets users control their phone by voice in a similar way to Siri. It can be used to send text messages to people, fire up music tracks, get directions, call businesses, send emails, view a map, go to websites and write notes.

Google Australia could not say when it would launch in Australia. However, Australians can still use voice commands while certain apps are open, such as the navigation app (e.g. "navigate to Potts Point").

Google's voice features aren't just limited to Android - it launched voice search on desktop for the Chrome browser in June this year.

Third-party Android developers have created a clone of Siri for Android, dubbed Iris, but early reviews suggest it is not yet as polished as Siri and isn't as competent at answering questions posed by the user.

On Windows Phone 7, the new 7.5 update brought voice commands, allowing users to open applications with voice, compose messages hands-free and search by voice.

Google's voice guru

Cohen joined Google in 2004 to spearhead its voice efforts. He had previously worked on voice-related projects for the US Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and spent 10 years developing over-the-telephone spoken language applications at Nuance Communications, which he co-founded.

"The need for speech input is much greater now than it ever was before," he said, pointing out that we now used our phones for much more than just making calls.

"[Smartphone owners have] constant access to the internet, to search, to transactions, to everything that you used to be able to do on your desktop but now people want to do it all the time and therefore the need for speech technology is much greater."

But despite investing heavily in voice and employing, in Cohen's words, "big teams" of people building out voice functionality in Google's products, its recent messaging on the subject has been confused.

'You shouldn't be communicating with the phone'

Google's Android boss Andy Rubin recently dismissed Siri at a conference.

"I don't believe that your phone should be an assistant," he said. "Your phone is a tool for communicating. You shouldn't be communicating with the phone; you should be communicating with somebody on the other side of the phone."

This conflicts with Cohen's enthusiasm for voice and previous comments by Google executives, who have said they are working to turn our phones into our personal assistants. Cohen could not explain this mixed messaging.

"Whether it should be viewed as a personal assistant or not, I don't really care, what I care about is understanding end user needs and finding the best way to very seamlessly help them meet their needs," said Cohen.

Siri an 'existential threat' to Google?

Siri is considered a serious threat to Google as it brings Apple further into search, which is Google's core business.

Gary Morgenthaler, who was on the board at Cohen's previous company, Nuance, and was the first investor in Siri, said Siri was far and away better than other voice recognition systems as it not only had a top speech recognition engine but also "natural language understanding and various pieces of artifical intelligence that allows it to understand what you meant rather than simply recognise words and convert it into text".

"When you search, what you want back is not a million blue links. What you want back is one correct answer," Morgenthaler told CNET.

"Siri, because it has the semantic layer, is not just responding to keywords; it's responding to a conceptual understanding of what it is that you said. And therefore it's able to retrieve for you exactly the right information you want.

"Or, better still, if you intend to do something with that information - to make a transaction, say - Siri could take you all the way to that transaction. That's fundamentally new and fundamentally different and it is potentially very disruptive to the search industry."

Morgenthaler said Apple did not roll this out initially but Siri was capable of conducting transactions on behalf of the user such as buying a book on Amazon or sending someone flowers. This would likely appear in future updates.

Asked to comment on this perceived "existential threat" to Google, Cohen was dismissive.

"Gary was an investor in Siri, that's why he's good at promoting his stuff," said Cohen.

Cohen pointed out that Google was "one of the greatest natural language understanding engines that's ever come about" and could instantly answer almost any question, such as "what time is it in Tokyo" or "what's the weight of a rhinocerous".

How does it all work?

So how do engineers get computers to understand and interpret what we are saying? Cohen said the underlying approach was machine learning or data-driven.

"We develop algorithms that learn from data and then based on that we then have to find lots and lots of representative data to feed to the systems so they can learn," he said.

"As you have more and more data you gradually cover loads of different accent types, all the different pronunciations, all the different word combinations ... so over time our systems learn about all the variations in spoken language."


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/voice-wars-apple-v-google-v-microsoft-20111027-1mldj.html#ixzz1bxoktkFs
 

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