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Making FFA accountable

neverwozza

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I'm suprised I haven't read something like this earlier. Rugby Union went down the same path that the A-League is going after O'Neil left and I don't beleive its a coincidence. From all accounts he's a strong leader which lead to personality clashes and his ultimate demise at both organisations.

My biggest bugbear at the moment though relates to the failure of the South Coast bid. I believe one of the main reasons it fell over was that Win stadium isn't up to scratch but it is expensive stadium deals that are killing our clubs at the moment. WIN is good enough for the dragons in the NRL but deemed not good enough for a competition that is struggling to get more than 10K through the gates. We are lucky because we have a small stadium and I'm sure our break even number is quite low but I reaaly worry for some of the other clubs.
 

curious

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My biggest bugbear at the moment though relates to the failure of the South Coast bid. I believe one of the main reasons it fell over was that Win stadium isn't up to scratch but it is expensive stadium deals that are killing our clubs at the moment. WIN is good enough for the dragons in the NRL but deemed not good enough for a competition that is struggling to get more than 10K through the gates. We are lucky because we have a small stadium and I'm sure our break even number is quite low but I reaaly worry for some of the other clubs.

Is also a pet bitch of mine. Clubs living way beyond their means in homes way beyond their requirements while they can't make the mortgage payments and cover the power bill. Financial suicide for the sake of the upkeep of a pretentious charade of being something they're not.

Kev, we would like to think the ffa would do what's in the best interest of the league, however, we both know the bits and pieces of the Crawford report that best suit self interest will be chosen, and the remainder run through with a red line. Many that criticise the NSL don't realise how in reality, the more things change, the more they stay the same. .
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
Kev posted this in the crowd thread before I read this but I totally agree...copied from my crowd post...

Economics at it’s basic level discusses the Scarcity of Resources and therefore everything from a person an entity to a nation needs to determine what is most important as all needs cannot be meet.

Under JON stewardship, the A-League resources were spent on promotion. BB to date has moved the spend from promotion to development of juniors and national standards.

There is no doubt of the need to protect our best juniors nor the national training programs currently operating. Everyone is in favour of these things but they do come at a cost and the cost to date is the promotion budget and a recent cost cutting excise at FFA head office that resulted in a number of people leaving and in time I guess a reduction in things FFA has done in the past.

Life is never easy when you operate on a 17 million budget and receive little free promotion by the mainstream media. BB has had to make some difficult calls and the football media has run a powerful agenda on technical issues for quite a while now. The same media are also of the expectation that technical issues solve all other problems… Looking at the crowds it is obvious they don’t.

So my question is aimed at the FFA… and in particular at BB… During JON stewardship it was very common to see JON in the media making statements talking up the league… much like AD in the AFL & DG in the NRL. … BB appears in the media rarely and only to put out a bush fire… My impression is he is caught in a paralysis of fear … scared of saying something wrong more than saying things.

I think BB needs to get out more and talk to the faithful … also FFA need to look at their budget priorities in that all things are not solved by improving technical deficiencies.

Also the it must be said that the league is only two good MV matches away from a 10 K average and when the other codes finish their seasons and the weather warms up a tad the crowds will increase.

The problem child is the Fold Coast and it appears Fat Tony is hopeless at running a Football team and will exit my guess at season’s end or Football needs a change in ownership at the club.

It’s not all doom and gloom yet … however Football needs desperately right now strong management and secondly needs to communicate it’s messages to the Faithful… and as the saying goes … reports of my death have been greatly …. you get the idea
 

curious

Well-Known Member
Regrading this subject, someone else isn't a happy chappy.

I find the points in bold the most interesting, and the rest is of no real surprise.

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/a-league/news/1021907/FFA-blasted-by-Fraser

FFA blasted by Fraser
8 September 2010-SBS EXCLUSIVE

Former A-League boss Archie Fraser has launched a blistering attack on his former paymasters at Football Federation Australia (FFA) for ignoring the welfare of the national competition in favour of indulging its obsession with landing the 2022 World Cup.

Labelling the ruling body as reactive and bloated, Fraser, who quit his post as CEO of the national competition in frustration back in April, claims the A-League has become a basket case flagrantly ignored by FFA which he accuses of failing to promote the domestic game and unwilling to stick up for football's interests.

Fraser, who masterminded the regeneration and rebirth of North Queensland Fury on a consultative basis after quitting College Street, also denounced the short-term aid offered to the cash-strapped Newcastle Jets as unsatisfactory and insisted when he was at the helm he was stymied from making decisions by former boss, FFA CEO Ben Buckley.

Fraser told The World Game, at a time when the A-League has found itself in the headlines for all the wrong reasons with the diving debate and the Jets near crash landing, that the A-League is not a high enough priority.

“The only focus right now at the FFA is the World Cup bid and the A-League has been left to become a basket case, he said.

“The A-League is suffering. Hopefully it will still be there in December when FIFA decides whether we do or don't get the World Cup.

“The structure of the league is wrong. It needs more autonomy and to be separated from the FFA and allowed to look after its own affairs.

“There is no promotion of the game and no cohesive strategy. When I was head of the A-League I couldn't make any decisions, and no decisions were ever made until the last minute. Everything went through Ben Buckley.

"The organisation is purely reactive and never stands up for the game. We never take on the other codes and a lot of people within the FFA seem to be happy with that.

“The dire financial straits at Newcastle have been brewing for nine months. The FFA knew all about it. Nobody sat down and talked to them and offered to help until the very last minute. It’s really a disgrace.”

Fraser believes that a spate of departures from the top echelons of FFA tells its own story.

“Questions need to be asked over why (chief commercial officer) John O'Sullivan, (operations manager) Matt Phelan left, and why were (head of corporate and public affairs) Bonita Mersiades and (chief financial officer) Ian Lewis given the heave-ho," he said.

Fraser, who came to football after three years as CEO of St Kilda in the AFL, believes little has changed since his, and the other departures, at FFA, which has a staff of 106.

“The same situation has continued under my successor Lyall Gorman. He won’t be able to do anything, even if he wanted to. The A-League doesn’t need somebody to passively run a long with things the way they are," he continued.

“It needs some grunt in a competitive market at a critical time for the game. Right now the league is paralysed. The FFA has taken its eye off the ball and that's why I quit.

“The other codes must be looking at us and thinking how good is this? They will be saying, ‘Thank God they haven’t been able to get it right yet. Because when they do we will be in a bit of trouble’.

“My question is why are the directors not doing anything about it? Why is the FFA board sitting back and allowing this to happen?

"Only one director has spoken with me since I resigned. There was no debrief. I sent an email to one director detailing why I went and I was told he had never received it.

“You would think somebody on the board would want to know why I resigned after just over a year.”

Fraser is also convinced that the Sydney Rovers franchise, due to enter the competition in 2011-2012, is unlikely to see the light of day as the hunt for potential investors continues to come up empty.

“I don't think you will see them next season because the backing just isn't there at the moment,” he added. “There were other more deserving causes for an A-League licence.”


Fraser is also stunned at the FFA's handling of the recent high-profile incidents which saw Perth's Glory’s Michael Baird and Central Coast's Patricio Perez found guilty by the match review committee of diving and subsequently banned for two games, without the right of appeal.

“There is no way I would have allowed that to happen,” he said. “Unless there is clear footage which proves the players are guilty of simulation then you can't find them guilty and in the Perez case that was not the case.

“They also have to be able to challenge the ruling. The FFA should just change the rule overnight.”

He is also critical of the this season's fixture scheduling, using the example of the Melbourne Heart playing Fury at home last Saturday when the Western Bulldogs played Collingwood in the AFL.

“They only got 4,000 odd and the game should never have been played. The draw is nothing like the one that was under consideration back in April.”
 

kevrenor

Well-Known Member
Regarding this subject, someone else isn't a happy chappy.

I find the points in bold the most interesting, and the rest is of no real surprise.

http://theworldgame....asted-by-Fraser

Would have been a lot better Bernie is you'd said this much earlier .. I presume you were constrained legally until now.

I do not often think conspiracy .... I go with the stuff up theory 99/9% of the time but with Buckley's contract up in December (I've heard) is this sabotage before he moves on (perhaps to a hived off WC2022 body)?
 

scottmac

Suspended
I can not believe the FFA have a staff of 106. WTF is that all about.

For comparison, NRL HO staff,

Approximately 35 staff members are employed at our headquarters in Sydney in seven different departments; CEO’s office, Football operations, Strategy & Special projects, Salary Cap & Registration, as well as Media, Marketing, and Finance.
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
comparing apples and oranges there.

the NRL is best compared with the HAL.

the FFA is best compared with the ARL, and even then not really.

the FFA has to deal with nine (?) subsidiary federations with disparate issues, considerable international linkages to bodies like the AFC, many levels of mens' and womens' international teams going down to under 13s and a world cup bid while the ARL has a different task set.

the ARL and NRL can also palm off considerable work (and money) to clubs' junior and community networks while our clubs are flat our staying afloat and our associations are run on the smell of oily rags.
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
The interesting thing is the comments about poor admin are coming from Football folk and many knowledgeable football folk...

Why does FFA have no comment....

The midweek games my guess based on last year is they will struggle to get 50% of weekend attendances ...you do get the feeling that FFA need do something soon before this crisis of confidence becomes a collapse in the A-League as the owners stop putting in money..

I am not sure if the following is true or not but on the OneHD sports shown on Monday night in their summary of Jets position... indicated that club owners could not decide what stadiums to use ... so Newcastle cannot go to Breakers Stadium to play .... they must play at Energy Australia .. which means they loose money every game... if true not very smart...
 

MrCelery

Well-Known Member
Yes, perhaps FFA's focus is not A-league, and yes, perhaps there are a lot of staff at FFA.

But is anyone suggesting for a minute that they take their eye or the golden prize of a World Cup Finals in Oz?

We need to get a grip here. The A-league in one form or another is important, but the impact of the World Cup will be absolutely massive.

It is right to put most of our efforts into the World Cup bid. And it's not like the A-League Clubs are run by little kiddies. Time for the boards to better manage their Clubs for the benefit of the whole league.

It's not the FFA's fault that the Jets have thrown away the momentum of an A-league Grand Final win. Ditto Sydney.
 

scottmac

Suspended
We need to get a grip here. The A-league in one form or another is important, but the impact of the World Cup will be absolutely massive.

If anyone thinks for a second that a world cup in oz is the answer to our problems they are kidding themselves. The A-League could be long gone before the world cup is even staged. We are talking 12 years away.

The MLS went through what we are going through now after WC '94 and with the backing of 2 multi millionaires to sustain more than half the league. We do not have that luxury. The A-League will not survive on the promise of a WC in 12 years time.

Many many millions of dollars have gone into this bid and in all honesty the only thing we have going for us is the fact it hasn't been here before and the legacy left by one would be larger than other bidders. Its going to be a tough race and one hopes that by the time its over, win or loose, that the damage done to the A-League is not beyond repair.

While I'd love a WC here and can see what it would do for the FUTURE of our game, I could handle travelling to Dubai or America to see WC '22. OTOH i would be devastated if the A-League started going backwards.
 

curious

Well-Known Member
Agree with scottmac's sentiment. I also wouldn't be putting too many eggs in the WC basket re the local game. The differentiation between the local game interest and nationalist fervour the public and the media place on the socceroos, or any national team for that matter, is enormous.

The interest in hosting the WC event would be big, but there's certainly no guarantee that will extend to the aleague by proxy. It could even have an effect to the contrary in widening the gap of public interest, with our 'modest' aleague pushed into the shadows by the significance of the biggest football/sporting event in the world.

Public interest will be towards the WC event, media interest will be on the WC and football coverage will be WC stories on funding, politics and socceroos. We would have great infrastructure improvements left for our use, but the day after a WC the public in general is likely to have the attitude 'ok, the shows over, we can all jump off the bandwagon and go home now". And if we don't have a very strong aleague leading up to and during the years of being pushed into shadows, and it will be, the anti climax following years of WC anticipation wont do us any favours when that's all we have to fall back on.

Just like it didn't in the MLS, still isn't in the Kleague and yet to see in SA. Most WC hosting nations have the advantage of hosting on the back of the popularity that exists with generations of being football only nations. Very few have attempted to do it in the opposite direction and use a WC as the primary catalyst for a successful local league in a highly competitive market saturated by other traditional sporting leagues.

I'm not trying to be a wet blanket, just not forgetting to be aware of the mindset of the Australian public.
 

Jerem

Well-Known Member
it is though, quite a shame that the lowest crowds are seeing some of the best standards
this league has ever produced given that, i have not seen ANY advertising or promotion from ANY
section of the code and that cant be a good thing, similarly does anyone else have a growing impatience with BB lately?
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
From SMH today ... does BB say enough to make you feel better... or is it all to hard...

Is the glass half full or half empty....

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/a-league/glass-half-full-for-aleague-but-coffers-are-not-20100913-159c5.html

Glass half full for A-League but coffers are not


The Socceroos are in a transitional phase. The A-League is in trouble. Football is losing ground to other codes in the battle for audiences. Sebastian Hassett speaks with FFA chief executive Ben Buckley about the problems facing the game in Australia.

SMH: The state of play in football in Australia has everyone concerned. What's your take on it?

Ben Buckley: I think it's extremely positive. We've just been to our second World Cup in a row, we've got a new Socceroos coach who is charged with developing the next generation and our sights are set on the Asian Cup and the ride to another World Cup. I don't see issues at a select number of A-League clubs as cataclysmic for football.

SMH: Then why are people talking about a ''crisis'' and the potential death of the A-League?

BB: A lot of commentators put one and one together and come up with five. Individual issues gain momentum and the language used becomes more exciting than the reality. By no means are we saying the A-League doesn't have issues. We have some clubs who need financial support in the short term, but if you look at any football competition in the world, that's not unique.

SMH: Many within the game say the existing club model is flawed. True or false?

BB: We definitely need to generate more income and manage our costs. Over time, our goal is for the FFA to provide a central grant to cover the salary cap but that's not likely to happen until we've got a new television agreement and new sponsorship agreements that will come over the next few years.

SMH: The money runs out for Newcastle next Monday. What happens after that?

BB: We want Newcastle to be in the competition but the FFA cannot bail [out] every club all the time and we can't put the rest of the competition in jeopardy. Whether it's in Adelaide, Townsville or Newcastle, the loyalty and passion for the team has to be realised through sponsorship and support. We can only go so far in providing short-term assistance before it becomes a drain on the competition.

SMH: If Con Constantine can't produce the money, are you prepared to let the Jets die?

BB: We don't want the Jets to die. We won't leave any stone unturned to make that happen.

SMH: But is it a possibility?


BB: Put it this way - we don't have an endless supply of finance.

SMH: Archie Fraser's very public critique of you made headlines. Were you expecting those comments?


BB: I don't agree with his assertions but what I can say is that we have a fantastic new head of A-League in Lyall Gorman. He's had five years of hardcore, coalface experience [with Central Coast]. Since he's been in the chair, our communication with the clubs has improved dramatically.

SMH: Fraser did mention the importance of an independent commission for the A-League, just like the AFL. Does he have a point?

BB: That shows how naive his comments were because the FFA is governed by an independent board, the same way the AFL is by an independent commission. But the AFL doesn't have responsibility for national teams, like the FFA does. The FFA has a board elected by the members of the FFA in an independent way and are charged with the responsibility, amongst other things, for the A-League.

SMH: What's your theory on why crowds keep falling?

BB: Clubs and the FFA have to work together to engage with the fan base and to get fans coming along regularly. Teams will ebb and flow in performance and crowds will be the same. I'm sure once some of the noise from the other codes has dissipated our trend line will improve.

SMH: You can see the SFS from your office window. Do you ever look over and wonder how Sydney FC will ever work?

BB: I wonder about a lot of things out of that window - but I think there's no one simple remedy for Sydney. It's a combination of performance on the field and strong engagement with the community.

SH: Your trip to China was kept quiet. Did you make any inquiries about their interest in bidding for the 2026 World Cup?

BB: I won't comment about my international trips but I will say we are in the process of establishing friendly relations with a lot of our counterparts in Asia.


SMH: We're getting closer and closer to December. How is our bid placed?

BB: We're well positioned in a competitive field. We've built up a certain rapport with people who make decisions but it's going to be a strong race right to the finish line.
 

curious

Well-Known Member
From SMH today ... does BB say enough to make you feel better... or is it all to hard...

Is the glass half full or half empty....

More a political interview with little information and generic answers with a pinch of spin. Somewhat like the fox interview. They needed Kerry O'Brian asking the questions.
 

Jerem

Well-Known Member
yes thats the article which pinched my impatience nerve,
sounded like a man not in control and making hot air to
answer questions.
 

Jerem

Well-Known Member
I heard a comment on the teev about the single ownership model not working
as oppsed to what, rangers buying a club then running in on an oily rag?
no real difference i see, unless im missing something?
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
With the Fold's crowd today just over 2, 000 ... FFA have a lot of things to do to get the ship back on an even keel...
 

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