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Grand Final at Bluetongue...

Where should the Grand Final be held?

  • Home of the winner of the Major Semi no matter what its capacity

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  • Best State stadium of the winner of the Major Semi

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  • Bruce Stadium - National Capital

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  • Country's biggest stadium - ANZ

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  • Alternate between MCG, ANZ, SunCorp

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  • Stadium that generates the best revenue for FFA

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MrCelery

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... would be like playing the FA Cup Final at Blackpool (cap 16,220). Not a snowballs chance in Hell.

Much as I would like the home ground advantage a final at Bluetongue would get, the Championship decider should be at a minimum, in the home States best venue, either SFS or ANZ. Personally, until we generate AFL size crowds, SFS would be my pick for atmosphere. And I don't think the short trip down the F3 is too much to ask of supporters for this game. Those supporters who can't be bothered to get to Sydney could attend a 'live site' in Gosford.
 

Bex

Well-Known Member
It's nothing like having the FA Cup final at Blackpool. You should stay off the grog this early in the morning ;-)

Its looking like The Jest or Smurfs wont be in the Grand final. The way the crowds have been this season, we will be doing well to fill bluetongue for a game with an interstate rival. If its in Sydney, there will be reduced Mariners crowd and many more neutrals.

Lets just say we get 30,000 (unlikely), thats only 2/3 of the 45,000 capacity. Way to take the passion out of the game and strike another blow to the Central Coast faithful. It also fails to take an opportunity to generate significantly increased interest in the game on the coast. I have no doubt a packed bluetongue for a grand final would be a boon for memberships the following year.
 

scottmac

Suspended
Grand final will be in Brisbane again


If last nights showing is anything to go by, Brisbane may not make it. Some very tired legs running around in the last 30 mins and they have a trip to Korea coming up between the first and second leg of the major semi.
 

pjennings

Well-Known Member
Doesnt this entire thread presuppose that we will even make the GF?

Im not completely convinced TBH

That is true. However, it will only be Brisbane or us. It is no use waiting until we see if we get to hold the GrandFinal two weeks before. Plans have to be made in case we do hold it now. Hence Peter Turnbull's ten man delegation to the FFA as per this story.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/mariners-to-lobby-ffa-for-bluetongue-final/story-fn63e0vj-1226305651002

If we host the Grand Final, with a live site in the park opposite - the waterfront with a plethora of food options and a carnival then there can be easily 50,000 in the precinct.

There is room to extend some temporary seating at the northern end of the stadium and it should also be possible to include further VIP areas at the Southern end. I’d love to see the image of Frank Lowy, Ben Buckley and Lyall Gorman coming in over Brisbane Water to the wharf by seaplane before being whisked away by limousine through a buzzing crowd to the VIP areas of Bluetongue being shown around the nation.
 

FFC Mariner

Well-Known Member
Foxtel have knocked live sites on the head before.

Just this week they refused the club permission to stream the Wellington game at a local cinema complex.
 

MrCelery

Well-Known Member
It's nothing like having the FA Cup final at Blackpool. You should stay off the grog this early in the morning ;-)

Its looking like The Jest or Smurfs wont be in the Grand final. The way the crowds have been this season, we will be doing well to fill bluetongue for a game with an interstate rival. If its in Sydney, there will be reduced Mariners crowd and many more neutrals.

Lets just say we get 30,000 (unlikely), thats only 2/3 of the 45,000 capacity. Way to take the passion out of the game and strike another blow to the Central Coast faithful. It also fails to take an opportunity to generate significantly increased interest in the game on the coast. I have no doubt a packed bluetongue for a grand final would be a boon for memberships the following year.

A couple of points:

1) If we're not even confident of filling Bluetongue for the GF, that's a very good argument for having it elsewhere, even though many spectators would not be core Mariners fans.

2) I reckon FFA will take the view that inspiring a (currently uninterested) big market like Sydney through hosting a GF would be more attractive than inspiring a (partly interested) small market like the Coast. And that's even if Sydney FC aren't in it.

3) If it was at Bluetongue, I would expect that after all sponsor and other commitments are met, there would be about 5K tickets for sale for each Club (wild guess), and the cost of those tickets would be high to recoup the losses of playing in a small stadium. As we have around 7K per game, I'm not convinced that it is a good idea to lock at least 2K of our core support out of attending the GF.

4) I definitely take your point about taking the 'passion out of the game' by having a crowd with neutrals, if you mean by this the crowd atmosphere, not the passion of the players. I attended the World Cup Final in the US in '94, and atmosphere-wise it was rather subdued compared to something like our own Aussies v Uruguay qualifier in '05. But as per the point above, you can expect that any GF in a small stadium will have a higher percentage of neutrals as there are less tickets available for locals.

5) After a season on top of the table and a whisker away from the Premiership, and the Major Semi to come, I doubt a single Grand Final game in Gosford would do all that much for those stay-aways that have yet to get the message that our Club is worth following.

6) Is there any premier comp in the world where a provincial team with a small stadium gets to host the final rather than it being held in the national or major regional stadium?

7) If Brisbane did not qualify for the GF, holding it in Suncorp would indeed be ridiculous. I'm assuming MM meant Suncorp only should it be a repeat of last season - us v Roar.

8) From an absolute purest's point of view, yes, we SHOULD host the game should we qualify first. Sadly there is nothing pure about football politics and practicalities.

9) If we could get Bluetongue to add two tiers at the north and south end to raise our capacity and make it an all enclosed arena, maybe we would be in with a chance. Dreaming I know!
 

pjennings

Well-Known Member
Of course we will fill BlueTongue for a Grand Final - to suggest otherwise is ludiucrous.

The Mariners-Jets Grand Final according to the clubs brought less than 2,000 neutrals. Assume the Mariners will take around 15,000 - 20000 to SFS ( a big assumption giving the shit that happened at our last Grand Final there - I actually think that 10,000 - 15,000 would be more realistic). Add in the away fans from Perth, Heart, Wellington or Brisbane and you would be lucky to get 25,000 at Allianz.

Is that the image the FFA want?

If Sydney make the Grand Final should it be at Allianz - that hardly seems fair.

The Mariners should be given the same opportunity as other teams.

The only alternative I believe would be to designate the Grand Final host before the season alternating between Allianz, Etihad and Suncorp. In that way everyone knows before the season starts and there can be no complaints. That way there would also be plenty of room for the all important neutrals that never turn that we obviously have to cater for.
 

Capn Gus Bloodbeard

Well-Known Member
If you couldn't fill BTS for a GF then you're sure as hell not going to fill a bigger stadium.

How many more neutrals would go to SFC than BTS? You'd get neutrals at both - but a lot of actual CCM supporters would be more likely to sit at home and watch it on Fox if they had to go to SFS rather than BTS - and would the potential increase in neutrals make up for that? Doubt it.

Whoever claims that first GF spot should win the right for a home GF and all the atmosphere and pride that goes with it. Shove it off to somewhere neutral and you'v taken that away - away from the teams and away from the fans. Heck, away from the local businesses as well.
 

MrCelery

Well-Known Member
PJ/Capt Gus - I agree - we would easily fill Bluetongue. I have more confidence than Bex! My point is that Bluetongue is too small, not too big.

Having said that, there would be far more neutral football fans in Sydney than on the Coast I think. Also, I suspect most of the big corporate sponsors of the A-League would more likely want to go to Sydney. Even any big corporate sponsors from Melbourne would be more interested in a venue 10 minutes from the airport.

I agree of course, that local businesses (and sponsors) would miss out if not held locally.

CCM supporters would not travel an hour to see their team in a Grand Final? Really? Probably you are right. As there are apparently many that won't go two blocks during the normal season to see them play. And so more than likely would not even go to Bluetongue for the GF.

pj - Rotation is how the European Cup and other comps work, but the club involved have many thousands of fans that would go thousands of kms to follow their team. So even a completely neural venue, eg. equivalent of Perth and Wellington playing in a Suncorp, would attract a full house. Not quite there yet in Australia!

I've got plenty of reasons for wanting the match in Gosford. Not the least because it would take me less than half the time to get there than to Sydney. But until I see a rational\financial, not emotional, argument that shows why the FFA would give up a 50K income for a 20K income, I think it is just pissing in the wind.

Our only hope, and it's a slim one, would be that we get direct entry to the GF with a win over Roar, and our opposition is Wellington or Perth.
 

Bex

Well-Known Member
But until I see a rational\financial, not emotional, argument that shows why the FFA would give up a 50K income for a 20K income, I think it is just pissing in the wind.

Simple:

- so they don't have to bail the Mariners out of financial trouble the very next season as disgruntled supporters vote with their feet (I'll believe the Russians when they've stumped up the money). Contrast that with a windfall of supporters after getting a grand final win at Bluetongue where you needed to be a member to get tickets and with scenes that surpass the second leg of the semi against the jest

- so the A-League maintains some credibility; do they want all of their grand finalists to be bailed out? Fair enough, bottom of the ladder having troubles, but top of the ladder?

- so the passion can be seen on TV in a sea of yellow rather than a half full stadium of neutrals; nobody is fooled when the crowd is pooled to one side of the stadium for purposes of TV angles

In my book, the above is worth way more than 30k to the FFA. One bail out is likely to cost them 20 times that amount.
 

Wombat

Well-Known Member
I cant stand this bullshit about it should be in the best stadium. Crock of shit!!!!!!!
Nothing looks worse than a GF in a half empty stadium.
If we win the right to host it then we f**ken host it!!! Not one rule for the big boys (FFA favourites)and f**k the mariners again.
The FFA have been c**ts from season one....time to show some love and give us what we deserve.
 

Forum Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Good post Bex, and damn straight Wombat.

If we earn the right and it isn't granted. We should MARCH.

I have a billion things to do. But I WILL find the time to organise a protest rally if this happens.

Why? Because there is so much more at stake here than lowing a few extra thousand to fit into a half empty stadium. F**king disgraceful.

There are MANY reasons. But if we earn the right, in short, this is about a region and a community having a transformative community experience the likes of which we have NEVER had and surely more than any other club in the league deserve.

:soapbox:
 

Ancient Mariner

Well-Known Member
Six grand finals, five have been held at home grounds of top qualifiers (as per rules).

One club has missed out and been treated unfairly.

NEVER AGAIN

Get into 'em.....
 

nikko

Suspended
That is true. However, it will only be Brisbane or us. It is no use waiting until we see if we get to hold the GrandFinal two weeks before. Plans have to be made in case we do hold it now. Hence Peter Turnbull's ten man delegation to the FFA as per this story.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/football/mariners-to-lobby-ffa-for-bluetongue-final/story-fn63e0vj-1226305651002

If we host the Grand Final, with a live site in the park opposite - the waterfront with a plethora of food options and a carnival then there can be easily 50,000 in the precinct.

There is room to extend some temporary seating at the northern end of the stadium and it should also be possible to include further VIP areas at the Southern end. I’d love to see the image of Frank Lowy, Ben Buckley and Lyall Gorman coming in over Brisbane Water to the wharf by seaplane before being whisked away by limousine through a buzzing crowd to the VIP areas of Bluetongue being shown around the nation.

you are off your face, if you think 50,000 people will go to Gosford waterfront and various limousines will be driving around Gosford
 

adz

Moderator
Staff member
Six grand finals, five have been held at home grounds of top qualifiers (as per rules).

One club has missed out and been treated unfairly.

NEVER AGAIN

Get into 'em.....

Whatever they do they need to be consistent, but I don't think the FFA have heard of that word.

I think they just make it up as they go.
 

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