Enlightening statistic

[marinermick]

Read the Newcastle Herald today and every Tuesday they have a eight page middle spread on football - Jets stuff, A-League, overseas etc. Top read.

One of the sections is the review of the weekend's matches statistically - goals, corners, fouls, possession etc.

An interesting stat to come out of this was that the Mariners were third in completed passes on the weekend (211), behind the Gold Coast (243) and just behind Perth (219).

This sort of makes a mockery of the fact that many of the pundits, including Craig Foster, that said we don't pass the ball. The fact that many of these passes were direct or a little longer than a short pass should be irrelevant.

 

[TiredLLegs]

That's hilarious Mick. But did they LOOK nice? Style is everything....

 

[clarence]

Read the Newcastle Herald today and every Tuesday they have a eight page middle spread on football - Jets stuff, A-League, overseas etc. Top read.

One of the sections is the review of the weekend's matches statistically - goals, corners, fouls, possession etc.

An interesting stat to come out of this was that the Mariners were third in completed passes on the weekend (211), behind the Gold Coast (243) and just behind Perth (219).

This sort of makes a mockery of the fact that many of the pundits, including Craig Foster, that said we don't pass the ball. The fact that many of these passes were direct or a little longer than a short pass should be irrelevant.

Have you forwarded it onto Craig Foster at his email address?
thebiggestdickheadinaustralianfootball@sbs.com.au




(NOTE: Not a real email addy, but wouldn't be surprised if some I.T. smarty at SBS made up the address and then linked it to Foster's personal email address anyways, lol!) ;D

 

[RADINHO]

Read the Newcastle Herald today and every Tuesday they have a eight page middle spread on football - Jets stuff, A-League, overseas etc. Top read.

One of the sections is the review of the weekend's matches statistically - goals, corners, fouls, possession etc.

An interesting stat to come out of this was that the Mariners were third in completed passes on the weekend (211), behind the Gold Coast (243) and just behind Perth (219).

This sort of makes a mockery of the fact that many of the pundits, including Craig Foster, that said we don't pass the ball. The fact that many of these passes were direct or a little longer than a short pass should be irrelevant.

No apparently to Craig Foster we are the best at completing long balls, hence the statistic.

 

[midfielder]

Read the Newcastle Herald today and every Tuesday they have a eight page middle spread on football - Jets stuff, A-League, overseas etc. Top read.

One of the sections is the review of the weekend's matches statistically - goals, corners, fouls, possession etc.

An interesting stat to come out of this was that the Mariners were third in completed passes on the weekend (211), behind the Gold Coast (243) and just behind Perth (219).

This sort of makes a mockery of the fact that many of the pundits, including Craig Foster, that said we don't pass the ball. The fact that many of these passes were direct or a little longer than a short pass should be irrelevant.

Do you have a link

 

[serious14]

I recall you pointing this out last season Mick, and it was countered by some with "that's all well and good, but if the majority of them are sideways or backwards _WHEN AN ATTACK IS ON AND COULD BE ATTEMPTED WITH A FORWARD BALL_, then is this statistic not a bit misleading about how "good" our passing is??

After all, isn't the objective to get the ball into the net??

 

[tuftman]

I've seen 4 of our games live, in person, and since I've been following(about halfway through V2) a fair chunk of our games streamed or watched on TV. From what I've seen, we do pass the ball a lot around the back, with no purpose or intent, almost just because we can(no-one can be f**ked digging through videos or whatever, its just something you notice watching a game)

As for questioning McKinna, even though there is a thread to cover Saturdays match, can anyone give me a logical reason for putting a target man on the right-wing (and don't give me the whole "its a defensive 4-2-3-1" thing, You don't put a target man out wide, you put them in the middle...just throwing it out there)

 

[marinermick]

I was not passing judgement on that stat. I was using it as a counter argument for people who say we are not a ball passing team. Whether that pass goes forward or backwards is irrelevant to the original point.

My observations is that many of these passes have been direct or to open space, especially from McGlinchey and Hutch.

The only thing that has cost from being on nine points so far this season is our finishing, which has been quite woefiul.

 

[scottmac]

I was not passing judgement on that stat. I was using it as a counter argument for people who say we are not a ball passing team. Whether that pass goes forward or backwards is irrelevant to the original point.

My observations is that many of these passes have been direct or to open space, especially from McGlinchey and Hutch.

The only thing that has cost from being on nine points so far this season is our finishing, which has been quite woefiul.

+1

Its not the passing (while there is a lot of room for improvement) that people should be moaning about. We are looking to pass more often to dangerous areas than at any other stage in our history, due largely to lil mac. Problem is we lack another good creator with brilliant first touch to play with him in the middle or up front. This leads to poor shots often taken under pressure. (or in big macs case just poor shots)

 

[Bex]

Yep, clearly finishing has been our main problem. I'm not sure whether thats because the link between midfield and the strikers needs work or whether our strikers are simply out of form. Its probably a bit of both I guess.

 

[Andre_1]

Yep, clearly finishing has been our main problem. I'm not sure whether thats because the link between midfield and the strikers needs work or whether our strikers are simply out of form. Its probably a bit of both I guess.

My only thought would be that but for a shit descision from our friend Miss HO and a missed penalty we would have 9 points?

 

[bulldogmariner]

Yep, clearly finishing has been our main problem. I'm not sure whether thats because the link between midfield and the strikers needs work or whether our strikers are simply out of form. Its probably a bit of both I guess.

My only thought would be that but for a shit descision from our friend Miss HO and a missed penalty we would have 9 points?

Totally agree. We are playing like we did in season 3. 1 nil gives 3 points and that is the attitude of the gaffer and the team. We conceeded to many goals last season trying to play an open style of football. We played two  3-3 draws against Adelaide and Sydney and a 4-3 against Brisbane. In ACL we conceeded two or more goals 4 out of the 6 games which is not good enough.

 

[dibo]

There is something I don't get here.

We don't want long balls, but we want fast, direct movement up the field.

We want completed passes, but not if 'most' go sideways or backwards.

We want to control possession, but we don't want the midfield to dilly-dally about.

Focus Group Guy: [after showing the kids some Itchy & Scratchy cartoons] Okay, how many of the kids would like Itchy & Scratchy to deal with real life problems like the ones you face every day?
[the kids cheer]
Focus Group Guy: And who would like to see them do just the opposite, getting into far-out situations involving robots and magic powers.
[the kid kids cheer again]
Focus Group Guy: So you want a realistic down-to-earth show that's completely off the wall and swarming with magic robots?
[the kids all chat at once about it being a great idea]
Milhouse Van Houten: And, also, you should win things by watching.

 

[Roy Law]

Read the Newcastle Herald today and every Tuesday they have a eight page middle spread on football - Jets stuff, A-League, overseas etc. Top read.

One of the sections is the review of the weekend's matches statistically - goals, corners, fouls, possession etc.

An interesting stat to come out of this was that the Mariners were third in completed passes on the weekend (211), behind the Gold Coast (243) and just behind Perth (219).

This sort of makes a mockery of the fact that many of the pundits, including Craig Foster, that said we don't pass the ball. The fact that many of these passes were direct or a little longer than a short pass should be irrelevant.

Very interesting as I yesterday watched the game again on my IQ and can't remember us stringing more than three passes together LOL

And on Fox Sports FC (yes, they did mention us) Sydney used about 70% long ball to our 55% (roughly)

 

[dibo]

Sydney had one massive tactical flaw in the second half in particular, they kept on pinging long balls at Aloi$i. Wilko was right on his back (and getting fouled for much of the afternoon, Aloi$i would half turn towards the sideline and grab a big hold of Wilko's shirt, all right in front of the assistant...) and dealt with him pretty well. Long balls at a central defensive pairing who are both 6'3" and up in the old measure is just silly... Just look at when we sent long balls at Keller.

Sydney looked much better when they moved the ground on the floor and Cole in particular got into great spots that he completely failed to do anything with a couple of times.

 

[OJ]

The  Italian game is based on long periods of deep-lying posession(generalisation). We classify it as "defensive" and "un-atractive". The mariners maintain deep lying possesion attempting to draw out the opposition from thier defensive structure. When the Mariners are pressed in these deep-lying defensive position's they opt for a long directed pass into the forward channels to eliminate an error occuring in the defensive half or third. Other teams attempt to pass their way out of these positions through short triangular passing movements. The mariners method can lead to players in forward positions working very hard and becoming isolated as support can be slow to filter in transition (chance conversion is lower due to fatigue levels). Whilst the shorter passing method can lead to flooding of areas resulting in a numerical advantage which is much more attractive but without the right kind of players can be very risky. Of course there are many variations to coaching 101.

 

[Arabmariner]

As long as the ball ends up in "their" net more than "ours" I don't give a flying what the OTHER stats say!

However if we're not winning............

Winning is everything!

 

[Jerem]

another enlightening stat
from SMH this morning
"However, like the rest of the football-watching public, Lavicka is no fan of seeing players launch unguided missiles out of defence, something his back four did 36 times in last weekend's 0-0 draw with Central Coast."

care to comment fozzie?

 

[pjennings]

How does that sit with Stephan Keller on TWG site - sounds like it was Lavicka's plan.

Speaking after a training session at the Sydney Football Stadium under a glorious winter sun, Keller said the team's direct style in Gosford was part of coach Vitezslav Lavicka's game plan for the hard match against the physical Mariners.

"It was part of our plan to play long balls to put their defence under pressure,'' Keller, 30, said.

 

[RADINHO]

another enlightening stat
from SMH this morning
"However, like the rest of the football-watching public, Lavicka is no fan of seeing players launch unguided missiles out of defence, something his back four did 36 times in last weekend's 0-0 draw with Central Coast."

care to comment fozzie?

he actually mentioned on Sunday that both sides passing was disgraceful. but he said it was strange to see sydney play that way differing from their more "beautiful" style nut said that is was same old from mariners and that Lawrie is the most stupid coach in the A-league.