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Draft Proposal for FFA Cup

Auburn Mariner

Well-Known Member
I had some spare time today and yesterday to come up with a draft format for the FFA Cup. These are just some of my ideas; and I'll bite the bullet and throw them open for comment:

The FFA would be open to 229 teams, inclusive of the 9 HAL sides in 2009-10.

There would be 8 divisions, as follows;

A. Kimberley/Pilbara/Jarrah (KPJ) Conference, consisting of teams from Western Australia only, including Perth Glory.

B. Capricornia (CPC) Conference, consisting of teams from Northern Territory and ALL of country Queensland EXCEPT Metropolitan Brisbane & the Gold Coast (roughly draw a scalene triangle from Bribie Island to the Tweed River at Snapper Rocks & Ipswich), including NQFC.

C. Moreton Bay Stradbroke (MBS) Conference, consisting of teams from Brisbane & the Gold Coast only. This is the ONLY Conference where two HAL Clubs would be drawn in the same Conference, they being Queensland & GCFC.

D. Murray Darling Tweed (MDT) Conference, consisting of Newcastle United FC, the ACT and ALL of non-Central Coast Country NSW EXCEPT the Illawarra to Albion Park Rail.

E. Hawkesbury Central Coast (HCC) Conference, consisting of ALL of Sydney from Parramatta Road-Great Western Hwy north to include the Central Coast up to a line from Catherine Hill Bay to Morisset, including the Central Coast Mariners.

F. Nepean Illawarra (NEI) Conference, consisting of ALL of Sydney from Parramatta Road-Great Western Hwy south to include the Illawarra as far south as Albion Park Railway Station, including Sydney FC.

G. South Australia Wimmera (SEW) Conference, consisting of ALL of SA, Adelaide FC and Victorian Country west of the Hume Highway

H. Eastern Victoria Tasmania (EVT) Conference, consisting of Victorian Country east of the Hume Hwy, Tasmania and Metropolitan Melbourne, including Melbourne Victory

Under this draft, Sydney FC, Central Coast & Newcastle would switch Conferences each year, as would NQFC, Qld & GCFC. Melbourne & Adelaide could easily do the same.

We would start with 220 teams across the country, NOT Including HAL teams.

Rd 1 sees us eliminate 110 teams.

Rd 2 sees a further 55 teams eliminated, leaving 55 teams PLUS the 9 HAL sides. 64 teams are left, with Qld & GCFC in the same Elite 8 and all other HAL teams in a Elite 8 with 7 non-HAL teams.

Rd 3 sees ALL HAL teams drawn AWAY, with the draw arranged so that Qld & GCFC DO NOT play each other until the Sweet 16 round. This is the round of 64.

Rd 4 sees remaining HAL teams GUARANTEED a home fixture if they are still involved. This is the round of 32.

Rd 5 is the Sweet 16. Home and away is done by Coin Toss.

Rd 6 is the Elite 8. These Conferences would be drawn to play each other, first Conference is home in Year 1, 2nd in Year 2 and so on:

KPJ v SEW
CPC v MBS
MDT v HCC
NEI v EVT

Rd 7 is the Final Four, played as a double-header on New Year's Eve on rotation around the country. Possibilities include Robina, Ballymore, Adelaide Oval, Bruce Stadium & Bluetongue.

Rd 8 is the Big Show, tendered out by FFA on a two-year basis. Strict Criteria apply, minimum 40k stadium, and must be within ONE FLIGHT ONLY of every capital city in the country. At a pinch, this would mean Lang Park & QEII, SFS & Stadium Australia, MCG & Docklands, Football Park & Subiaco.

TV rights go exclusively to SBS. FFA to gain an Australian Major Sponsor.

The next bit has been racing around my chrome dome, it's a touch radical, but what the hell:

It's our Cup, we can do what we like, and I am personally sick of sycophants who are slaves to Europe and/or Latin America. So, instead of the usual three subs, let's have 7 interchanges. This will assist non-HAL clubs, who will clearly NOT be as fit as HAL teams. Teams can carry 5 subs plus a keeper on the bench. Teams get a free interchange if a straight red-card challenge by the opposition injures a player.

Secondly, every game of every round is decided on the day. We could not afford replays, so it goes to 30 minutes Extra Time, then penalties ALL THE WAY through.

As the third and final installment of the different thinking, in televised games, let's have Two Coach Challenges per match per team for Video Replay (VR). VR can ONLY be used for challenging an offside call that DIRECTLY disallows a goal OR to decide if a shot on goal crossed the goal-line or not. Challenge issued with a red flag by coach to 4th official. Sole arbitrator of VR is the Referee.

Possible HUGE fixtures under this proposal include Sydney FC vs Marconi/Sydney United (where's your flares??), Melbourne Victory/South Melbourne (can you imagine this at Bob Jane?? Aye, Caramba!!), Adelaide Utd v Adelaide City, Central Coast v Blacktown/Manly, and here's a wicked possibility, Yoogali of Griffith v Newcastle United (5000 mad Italo-Australians at a chock-a-block Yoogali Oval. LOVE to see the Sqaudron make the trek to the MIA for THIS ONE).

I apologise for the long read. I'm sure this will get eviscerated by some, but I do not care. Over to you, my dear friends.
 

tuftman

Well-Known Member
Auburn, I tip my hat to the outside the square thinking. IMO for this cup to be a success, it needs to be on a reasonably level playing field, otherwise HAL clubs should just walk this one in. I think that perhaps make it that the HAL sides dont get home ground advantage until the quarters, round of 16 at the earliest? I like the idea of getting a result on the day, replays imo are unnecessary. If this is introduced, then the post season cup can go, and the HAL itself becomes first past the post. The video challenging system I think is a good idea, especially in the FFA Cup, as it gives the FFA a chance to tinker with it, before perhaps introducing it to the HAL itself.
 

Blackadder

Well-Known Member
Sounds great to have a a truly national comp in Australia covering the professional,semi professional and amature sides.
Hopefully if the likes of Melb victory vs Melb Croatia/South Melb eventuated the powers that be see good sense to keep the groups well and truly seperated.
 

Tassiemariner

Well-Known Member
Just wondering about the legitimacy of Wellington Phoenix's inclusion into this competition.
I noticed you haven't covered that anywhere?

Also (apologies for my lake of knowledge of southern NSW so i may be wrong here) But where is all the south coast and teams from Bega, Albury/Wodonga and Wagga Wagga will play in?
I understand Illawarra is down that way but does it cover all the south coast?

Also is it possible to have 9 conferences?
Or will that put out the balance of the 1st/2nd rounds?
Just seems more sense to have a SA, Metro Vic and Tasmania conferences.

Sorry to sound like a dodgy Uni lecturer in criticising your idea but i am also very passionate about getting this "Australian FA Cup" competition up and running.

I really do love your idea of conferences (similiar to American colleges but without various polls
deciding to outcome) and please put this cup on SBS.
 

Auburn Mariner

Well-Known Member
South Coast and Riverina play in Murray Darling Tweed Conference (ALL of NSW Country).

Phoenix don't get a run. Aussie comp.

9 Conferences, no.
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
Auburn

Well through out .. but I would take a more simple approach... any team can enter state team or Champion of Champion park side.

I would wait to get down to a  final 16 maybe 32 teams before the A-league teams enter . Each state to essentially have the same number of teams.

Thus in a final 16 teams each state and territory would have a team ... in a final 32 NSW & VIC would get extra teams based on there player numbers. This would greatly reduce costs especially if the non A-League teams played the A-League team from the same state.
 

BrisRecky

I'm an idiot savant without the pesky savant bit
I Like it Auburn...get it copyrighted by a legal beagle and send it too FFA....and maybe email a copy to Les Murray and that grumpy foster bloke what sits next too him, those two bound to have a few thoughts
 

Razorback

Well-Known Member
That is awesome and sounds achievable as far as logistics are concerned. Can I suggest that instead of every club in the country we just include the champions and maybe runners up from each regional competition?
 

Jesus

Jesus
Well i dont think the FFA will now go it until they have 12 a-league teams. This may include a replacement of the nix as we are all aware, but if it doesnt, im not sure the FFA will leave them out.

Would take a fair bit of FFA funding, but with a major sponsor involved, should diminish it. Also the tv rights.
 

Jesus

Jesus
midfielder said:
Auburn

Well through out .. but I would take a more simple approach... any team can enter state team or Champion of Champion park side.

I would wait to get down to a  final 16 maybe 32 teams before the A-league teams enter . Each state to essentially have the same number of teams.

Thus in a final 16 teams each state and territory would have a team ... in a final 32 NSW & VIC would get extra teams based on there player numbers. This would greatly reduce costs especially if the non A-League teams played the A-League team from the same state.

I think it would have to go up in stages. Like your champions of champions might go into a level with your minor state leagues, then throw in the state leagues and after 1 round a-league teams. I would love to see it go right down to terrigal/budgi/avoca etc.

But i think the FFA will start somewhat higher up the chain. Probably only including the state leagues. Though i think the FFA may want more reforms to have been carried out before handing state leagues potential cash bonuses against a-league clubs.
 

~Floss~

Well-Known Member
Crucial factor is to do away with finals and launch the cup in the same season.

Non-football sports-fans and media treat the FA cup as a Grand-final-type event; this is the way to please the football world and the rest of 'em IMO.
 

Arabmariner

Well-Known Member
~Floss~ said:
Crucial factor is to do away with finals and launch the cup in the same season.
Agree with that 100%.

I also think it's important at the same time to ensure in the league everyone plays each other home and away the same amount of times.  ie play all teams twice or four times not three as it is at present.That would make winning the league far more credible and remove any lingering excuse for a finals series.
 

Jesus

Jesus
Arabmariner said:
~Floss~ said:
Crucial factor is to do away with finals and launch the cup in the same season.
Agree with that 100%.

I also think it's important at the same time to ensure in the league everyone plays each other home and away the same amount of times.  ie play all teams twice or four times not three as it is at present.That would make winning the league far more credible and remove any lingering excuse for a finals series.

Seriously dont understand why we should throw away the extra income, and extra football of the finals. Why have less games? Why give away the extra crowds, media attention and excitment?

Cup football is a very big yes. In europe they  have super cups(which i would also like to see between cup winner and league winner)

Super cups are still no match for finals football, though are of the same idea.
 

serious14

Well-Known Member
Jesus said:
Arabmariner said:
~Floss~ said:
Crucial factor is to do away with finals and launch the cup in the same season.
Agree with that 100%.

I also think it's important at the same time to ensure in the league everyone plays each other home and away the same amount of times.  ie play all teams twice or four times not three as it is at present.That would make winning the league far more credible and remove any lingering excuse for a finals series.

Seriously dont understand why we should throw away the extra income, and extra football of the finals. Why have less games? Why give away the extra crowds, media attention and excitment?

Cup football is a very big yes. In europe they  have super cups(which i would also like to see between cup winner and league winner)

Super cups are still no match for finals football, though are of the same idea.

"Finals series" is a concept that was created exclusively for television, nothing more.  To use this year's NRL series as an example, what reward is there in seeing a team (The Warriors) that was not consistent enough over 26 weeks to be anywhere _near_ the top be one game away from being crowned the champions of that season??

It is an artifical creation that has no basis in reality.  Adelaide were the most consistent team in Season 1, owned all before them, yet we have to put up with the "inaugural Champions Sydney FC" bullshit.  The most thrilling round of football thus far in the A-League was our triumph on Super Sunday last season.  We were the best team _over the length of a season_, yet we have the bullshit of "Jets are Champions".  Being the best over 21 weeks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> winning one 90 minute playoff that is artifically constructed.

Take out the finals series, have an extra round of games, plus cup weekends, and there's your extra money that you'd lose from no finals.

Summary: Finals = Fail
 

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